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Magnesium Warnings and Contraindications

Published on February 10, 2011

Toxic symptoms from increased magnesium intake are not common because the body eliminates excess amounts unless there are serious problems with kidney function. Magnesium excess sometimes occurs when magnesium is supplemented as a medication (intravenously) because adding magnesium in very large doses in isolation from other nutrients can cause harmful effects on the body. In reality, problems with magnesium supplementation usually occur when the magnesium in the IV is given too rapidly or in too high of a dose, or both.

There is the balance of calcium to magnesium to be kept in the range of 1:1 to 2:1. If you take more magnesium than calcium, then you are going to upset your calcium balance. However, this is not an issue for people whose dairy intake is high. Most people today are getting too much calcium and not enough magnesium.

The ratio of minerals and vitamins to each other is important. Scientists from the University of Helsinki said, “The present average sodium intakes, approximately 3000-4500 mg/day in various industrialized populations, are very high, that is, 2-3-fold in comparison with the current Dietary Reference Intake (DRI) of 1500 mg. The sodium intakes markedly exceed even the level of 2500 mg, which has been recently given as the maximum level of daily intake that is likely to pose no risk of adverse effects on blood pressure or otherwise.

By contrast, the present average potassium, calcium, and magnesium intakes are remarkably lower than the recommended intake levels (DRI). In the U.S., for example, the average intake of these mineral nutrients is only 35-50 percent of the recommended intakes. There is convincing evidence indicating that this imbalance—the high intake of sodium on one hand and the low intakes of potassium, calcium, and magnesium on the other hand—produce and maintain elevated blood pressure in a big portion of the population. Decreased intakes of sodium alone and increased intakes of potassium, calcium, and magnesium each alone decrease elevated blood pressure.

A combination of all these factors—decreases of sodium and increases of potassium, calcium, and magnesium intakes that are characteristic of the so-called Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension (DASH)[1] diets—have an excellent blood-pressure-lowering effect.”[2]

In isolation and in too high a quantity anything can become a problem. There is a balance needed between minerals, trace elements, and large amounts of magnesium used to treat disorders. Spirulina is offered as the ideal complement to transdermal magnesium chloride therapy, for it is a potent medicine in its own right. (See my essays on “The Waters of Life.”) Spirulina, which is high in chlorophyll, is probably the most potent food on planet earth and provides a complete list of all the minerals and trace elements as well as amino acids and fatty acids we need to sustain life. Anything that has chlorophyll has magnesium since magnesium is the center of the chlorophyll molecule.

Some people, especially children, might develop a rash from using the magnesium oil when applied directly to the skin. If the magnesium oil is used at full strength, many children will feel a burning or stinging and this can be painful; if this happens the oil should be washed off quickly. In such cases you need to dilute the magnesium oil 50/50 with distilled or mineral water; as the body acclimates to the magnesium, the full concentration can eventually be applied. A rule of thumb about dosage: It is always a good idea to start with low dose and work up gradually to higher doses. Whenever any kind of uncomfortable reaction occurs this is a sign to lower the dosage or concentration.

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Magnesium is regulated and excreted primarily by the kidneys where various ATPase enzymes are responsible for maintaining homeostasis.[3] Magnesium toxicity can occur in people with hypothyroidism, those using magnesium-containing medications such as antacids, laxatives, cathartics, and in those with certain types of gastrointestinal disorders, such as colitis, gastroenteritis, and gastric dilation, which may cause an increased absorption of magnesium.

Risk of magnesium toxicity is usually related to severe renal insufficiency—when the kidney loses the ability to remove excess magnesium. Individuals with impaired kidney function are at higher risk for adverse effects from magnesium supplementation and people with severe renal insufficiency should avoid magnesium supplementation or approach it very carefully starting with very low dosages. Magnesium supplementation in children with dehydration or renal failure is also contraindicated, so before beginning any kind of magnesium treatment, any dehydration needs to be addressed.

Signs of excess magnesium can be very subtle and can occur with long-term use of magnesium supplements and laxatives. The symptoms can be similar to magnesium deficiency and include: changes in mental status, nausea, diarrhea, loss of appetite, muscle weakness, difficulty breathing, extremely low blood pressure, and irregular heartbeat. Though extremely rare, severe magnesium intoxication is manifested by a sharp drop in blood pressure and respiratory paralysis. Disappearance of the patellar reflex is a useful clinical sign to detect the onset of magnesium intoxication. In the event of overdosage, artificial ventilation must be provided until a calcium salt can be injected intravenously to antagonize the effects of magnesium.

The most common cause of hypermagnesemia is renal failure. Other causes include the following:

  • Excessive intake
  • Lithium therapy
  • Hypothyroidism
  • Addison’s disease
  • Familial hypocalciuric hypercalcemia
  • Milk alkali syndrome
  • Depression

Most adverse effects of parenterally-administered (intravenous) magnesium are usually the result of magnesium intoxication. These include flushing, sweating, hypotension, depressed reflexes, flaccid paralysis, hypothermia, circulatory collapse, cardiac and CNS depression proceeding to respiratory paralysis. Hypocalcemia, with signs of tetany secondary to magnesium sulfate therapy for eclampsia, has been reported.

Intravenous administration of magnesium could accentuate muscle relaxation and collapse the respiratory muscles if given too rapidly or in too high a dosage. Patients with excessively slow heart rates should also be careful because slow hearts can be made even slower, as magnesium relaxes the heart. And when there is an obstruction in the bowel, additional caution is required because the main route of elimination of oral magnesium is through the bowel.

Magnesium supplementation is known to interact with many different pharmaceutical drugs and it is wise to know what these are when treating patients. Certain drugs will increase the loss of magnesium in urine. Thus, taking these medications for long periods of time may contribute to magnesium depletion. On the other hand, many antacids and laxatives contain magnesium. When frequently taken in large doses, these drugs can inadvertently lead to excessive magnesium consumption and hypermagnesemia, which refers to elevated levels of magnesium in blood.

Some Recommendations on Dosing Related to Medications When Used with Magnesium

Doxycycline

Magnesium may make doxycycline less effective. Take magnesium supplements 1-3 hours before or after ingesting doxycycline.

Minocycline

Magnesium may make minocycline less effective. Take magnesium supplements 1-3 hours before or after ingesting minocycline.

Tetracycline Hydrochloride

Magnesium may make tetracycline less effective. Take magnesium supplements 1-3 hours before or after ingesting tetracycline.

Diabetes Medicines

Glipizide (Glucotrol®) and Glyburide (Micronase, Glynase, Diabeta). Taking magnesium and either Glipizide or Glyburide together may further lower blood sugar leading to blurred vision, tremor (shaking), hunger, sweating, headache, skipped heartbeats, confusion, nervousness and extreme tiredness. Magnesium (also commonly found in antacids) may increase the absorption of glipizide and glyburide, medications used to control blood sugar levels. Ultimately, this may prove to allow for reduction in the dosage of those medications.[4]

The Magnesium Research Institute says that the drug Neurontin binds Mg in the GI tract and results in a malabsorption of both oral Mg and Neurontin (PDR says 24 percent). Interaction with Neurontin is important to note because it is an anti-seizure medication and also frequently used off label as a mood stabilizer and behavioral drug in addition to being used for migraine headaches. Some children with ASD may be on this medication. It is also used in bipolar disorder as an alternative to lithium.

Taking magnesium and mefenamic acid (Ponstel) together may increase the amount of mefenamic acid absorbed, possibly leading to an increase in side effects. Mefenamic acid is a NSAID used for pain and PMS.

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[1] Eating plan rich in fruits and vegetables, and low-fat or non-fat dairy; recommended for people with pre-hypertension or hypertension; has been proven to lower blood pressure in studies sponsored by the National Institutes of Health; has been proven to lower blood pressure in just 14 days, even without lowering sodium intake

[2] Karppanen H, Karppanen P, Mervaala E. Why and how to implement sodium, potassium, calcium, and magnesium changes in food items and diets? Institute of Biomedicine, Pharmacology, University of Helsinki. J Hum Hypertens. 2005 Dec;19Suppl 3:S10-9.

[3] Sloan Kettering Health Care Information for Professionals: http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/11571.cfm?RecordID=481&tab=HC

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  • A12

    Once My friend consumed approx 50 tablets of Magnesium Phosphoricum 6x at once.What should We generally do? But she told me that she was feeling normal.

  • Jenny Metrick

    I have a bad mag deficiency, my RBC is 3.9. I’m getting 3 grams if iv 3x weekly. My doc seems to be nervous to give alot for such a bad deficiency, she started with 1 gram a week. I have read in many places that people get 4 grams & more. what is your thought on this? I don’t have any kidney problems. Thx

  • Nat’s Paris

    So is magnesium good or bad for you, so many mix answers???

  • Candra Adams

    Where do you get that premenopause causes dizziness? I am now in my first year of being menopausal and I get dizzy spells on and off as well as fatigue usu. at the same time. It’s been driving me nuts, nobody told me it could be hormones.. I’m also hypo everything so figured it was blood sugar, low blood pressure, something. I do testosterone on and off. Can’t do any of the others they make me more tired and so CRAZY nobody would want to come near me (including myself).

  • April

    just used sea spray magnesium for the second time in a row and had an extremely sweaty night. More than I have ever sweated at night before. I do have hypothyroidism due to lead and Mercury toxicity and don’t eat a lot of salt though I do get plenty of calcium. I thought it was unlikely to absorb too much magnesium through the skin. I have used bath salts before but never these natural salts before. Are they that much more potent? My heart is palpitating a bit which is common for me. I’d like to keep taking them but maybe only one squirt instead of four. Though after reading your article I am a bit nervous to. Thank you for your work.

  • AB

    How do you know if your minerals are in balance? Namely, potassium, magnesium and calcium? What is the best test for this?
    Also I have experienced magnesium withdrawal – I am on a lower dose of magnesium now but how can I avoid further withdrawal symptoms – wean slowly …. or add in calcium and wean both? Thank you.

  • frank

    I use a spray on the skin,once a day. would this cause a problem?I feel fine with no side effects.Just cautious.Thanks

  • binkyboo

    I was in the ER afew days ago with critically low magnesum.i was o. An IV for 6 hours.
    Now I ve been given more supplements until I reach 2000mcs per day. This seems a lot. I have been taking 500mcs per day for months.
    .

  • Rob lover

    I took magnesium supplements for about a month and since then my armpits got a rash to point where I can’t wear my regular deodorant/antiperspirant anymore. I tried a different deodorant that was aluminum free and still get irritation there. Went to two different doctors, spoke to a druggist and a nurse with hopes of finding answers and found that I am entitled to a second opinion. If my family doctor refuses to send me to a dermatologist to fix this problem, I may be forced to take legal action.

  • Luke Christian

    When I take magnesium, it messes with my heart, I’ll get pressure in my chest and my shoulder will start aching. Can Anyone tell me why?

    • Luke Christian

      Plus it really helps out with anxiety so I really don’t want to stop using it. Are there any alternatives? Magnesium is like xanax out helps me tremendously, but it messes with my heart in turn my whole body is stiff and aching

      • IMVAUser

        It can be a reaction on your skin and body…. If it is too strong on the skin, you can dilute the oil half spring water with half magnesium oil.
        Also, you can consider using it at night before bed time

      • Adam

        It could be the type of magnesium, I use organic cacao powder to make hot chocolate with honey, two of those will stop a panic attack in its tracks, although it also comes with a lot of Iron which could be a problem for some, a bonus for others, it cured my long standing anaemia! I take zinc gluconate for anxiety without side effect, it would seem that the gluconates are easy to absorb with no nasties. Enjoy your hot chocolate! health is such hard work, LOL.

    • Oor Wullie

      Look to your normal diet. If you are consuming PUFAs or MUFAs those could be the cause of your heart symptoms as both suppress the immune system and so too does sugar, except glucose. It might be that the magnesium is irritating an underlying problem. It could also be some other medication that you may be taking.

  • Marilyn Shively

    I have a sensitive issue involving magnesium but I don’t want to put it on Facebook. How do I get a consultation with Dr. Sircus?

  • robynquinn

    First, you can’t take magnesium and calcium around the same time. Take them separately, calcium in the morning and magnesium at night and don’t forget the potassium. Calcium and magnesium fight against each other in the body so taking them around the same time is going to make them both ineffective. Also I’ve only heard advice that says we take too much calcium and not enough magnesium I’ve never heard it said the other way around. And you definitely should take a multivitamin on top of the magnesium but once again not at the same time this cannot be mentioned enough.

    • Linda Pelech

      I am also taking K2 along with many other supplements
      FLW
      Vit c – 4000/day
      IP6 & inositol /1200 mg/day
      D3/1000ui/day
      MSM/2000/day
      L-lysine/500mg/day
      Omega3/1500/day
      Cardio-essence/2tbls/day
      For circulation/heart/cancer
      But I have a constant constipation problem
      I am currently taking a liquid calcium
      I take up to 600mg of magnesium oxide at night. It usually helps. Sometimes I’m still too constipated.
      Do you see a problem with my amounts or combinations? My calcium is only 300mg a day.

      • robynquinn

        I would try stopping calcium altogether and see what happens. Honestly we don’t need extra calcium at all esp if we drink milk or eat cheese or lots of veggies. If that doesn’t solve it after a week, then stop everything except magnesium for awhile. Magnesium helps you go to the bathroom so maybe you just need more of it to balance out the calcium. I took calcium supplements for a few days and was constipated for weeks.

        • Linda Pelech

          Ok. I’ll try that. Although I actually stay away from milk and cheese. My mom has the same problem constipation problem

          • Marilyn Shively

            they say (and I believe since I take it) that calcium citrate is not constipating, but calcium carbonate it.

    • Laurie

      Robyn…did you know that there is a pill on the market called Mag64 that has a combination of Magnesium Chloride and Calcium? My daughter, who suffered from severe PTSD and all accompanying symptoms like high anxiety, depression, radical mood swings,etc… took Mag 64 for only a week and we’ve seen REMARKABLE results! She has total mood stabilization, no anxiety, sleeps through the night, has an increase in energy and acts HAPPY! She takes 4 pills in the morning and 4 in the evening and drinks a ton of water. Each pill is only 64 mg Magnesium so we’re not worried about toxicity…especially with all her water intake. Magnesium Chloride WITH Calcium has been like a miracle pill for her!

  • Joy

    I have been gradually adding chelated magnesium (Doctor’s Best High Absorption Magnesium (200 Mg Elemental, 100 mg. each), slowly over the year. I finally got to 400 mg. and it was helping my palpitations pretty good but not quite enough. I had palpitations BAD too. I told the doctor and he told me to increase another 100 mg. Well I have always been constipated most all my life, but would get a case of diarrhea every so often. I’m just sure that I have IBS. Nevertheless, I started taking probiotics while on the mag. to keep the bowels from getting too loose, it helped. The problem now is that since I have been taking all of this, I now have something that feels like rectal pressure. Kinda like my colon has became too relaxed. Sounds weird. Well, I have been to several doctors, they don’t know anything and they have checked to see if there was any prolapse or strange feeling but nothing. So the only option was to get a colonoscopy. The problem with that right now is that whenever I do get diarrhea (which is seldom) it’s sometimes really painful, like the colon has stretched out (relaxed) too much and causing this pain. Normally when I have a bowel movement there is no pain and no blood. But the prep for the colonoscopy would be constant diarrhea and probably put me in the hospital from the pain, THAT IS IF I COULD GET THERE. So I decided to back off the magnesium tablets and start taking ionic magnesium in place of them to see if my rectum would go back like it was. I don’t know. I also stopped the probiotics because I just took it to help with the loose stools. I have used transdermal magnesium too but it makes my clothes stiff and I can’t tell if it’s helping or not. This problem has caused me a lot of grief. I would very much like to hear what you think or if you have ever heard of this before? Thank you so much. I appreciate your input.

    • Barb

      Use magnesium Glycinate. It is better absorbed and doesn’t interfere with your gut. It won’t constipate or give you diarrhea.

  • Amy

    I switched to triple magnesium a month ago by Swanson, it is 500 mg combo of citrate, oxide and aspartate. The last 3 weeks I became lethargic and randomly put on 10 lbs. I started getting headaches, sleeping 9 hours a night and having huge cravings for water. I realized the only thing I had changed was my magnesium. I stopped taking it, got more headaches, up the following day, I kept going to the bathroom. For some reason the magnesium was making me hold water. It was really helping with my neuralgia, but I could not get off the couch for weeks so had to discontinue. The problem on the internet, is so many people talk about the miracles of magnesium, and you can find very little information on negative side effects outside of hypermagnesia. The bottom line is that anything you put in your body will effect it, and it is going to create different symptoms for different people depending on genetics and other environmental factors. I was quite happy that I dropped 5 lbs in two days and felt less the lethargic. But it makes me wonder how many people think they have adrenal insufficiency, hypothyroidism, or issues losing weight, when they are actually having an adverse reaction to a supplement that is quite profound…like me.

    • robynquinn

      Did you read this article in full? It’s vital that you balance out magnesium with enough calcium and potassium as well as all other vitamins. Do that and see what happens. But don’t stop taking magnesium if you start the others… But rather stay on a low dose of everything.

    • robynquinn

      Also, I wouldn’t use just any magnesium product either. Get something with no fillers as I’m sure Swanson has fillers. Follow my advice and let me know how you feel I’m curious.

    • Dulceopinador

      You’re so right. I had to stop magnesium because it was making me sick. I could not breath and my heart was crazy. Now I go the natural way, I eat almonds, cocoa, bananas etc and I have cero issues. So much missinformation on the net. It seems all moves in terms of what ‘s on trend, even in supplements. Body’s chemistry is so complex. Better no to play with it.

  • Charmaine Taylor

    Because most medical staffers and MDs can’t tell you a thing about Magennesium and medicine contraindications I am HOPING you will listen to this. A drug such as Gabapentin- on the paperwork- advises to not take Mg 2 hours before or after the dose…BUT does this apply to trans dermal, to liquid Mg added to water, or to pill form Mg? I have tried to ask you this before but get back “no medical ” advice given ..I am NOT asking for ME..I am asking to have you be smarter than the MDS who can’t say about the drugs they give us…since YOU are the expert..please comment on how Mg interacts with such a drug..as most of us can’t find this technical info on our own..and if you dont know we are stuck having to STOP all Mg use to be safe!!…so please add to the knowledge base we need. thanks in advance.

    • robynquinn

      Just don’t take it 2 hours before or after. I take gaba pentin but last night I took 800 mg of Magnesium and felt like I was in heaven. Felt so relaxed like I haven’t in years. I didn’t take my gaba pentin last night or this morning yet and still feel awesome. Usually I’d feel “dope sick”

  • Candra Adams

    I know I need magnesium as I eat a LOT of dairy (organic, free range). But even the tiniest amount leaves me wiped out the entire next day. I have tried every different kind of magnesium (citrate, malate, etc.). I have taken one tenth the recommended amount. It doesn’t matter, I can still barely move the entire next day. I actually have the same problem to a lesser degree with zinc. Any ideas on why would be greatly appreciated as I often get back and leg pains from muscle spasms. When it gets bad I will eat some pumpkin seeds which I can handle for about two days in a row max. Thank you.

    • Oor Wullie

      There are indications that manufactured vitamins are harmful and possibly hence the problem. Almonds contain magnesium and may be its best source; worth trying.

    • cis

      What form of magnesium do you take?

      We all need to remember that the form of magnesium (citrate, oxide, glycinate etc) and also the medium (capsule with or without fillers, tablet with God-knows-what or powder with or without fillers) makes all the difference…

  • Jcs1127

    I was hospitalized July 2014 for severe Vertigo, loss of consciousness for 3 days and loss of memory. After the third day, I had problems with dizziness and memory for at least 6 months. All tests. We’re normal except magnesium which was so low it was nonexistent. Doc prescribed 400 mg 3 x per day (1200 mg) daily. I’ve felt much better until recently and have started repeat of symptoms. Is it possible that I am taking too much? I also have hypothyroidism and take synthroid 1.25 mcg.

    • robynquinn

      Did you balance it out with the other minerals as suggested??? This part is vital. Potassium and calcium with the magnesium don’t forget it and read the entire article next time and you won’t have problems… No one here seems to read what he wrote no wonder he isn’t responding.

      • cis

        I don’t recommend supplementing elemental calcium. Have you ever seen old brains in science museums? They have a lot of calcification…We can get calcium and potassium (in theory magnesium too) from foods. But it seems that some, such as hypothyroid people, do need to supplement magnesium. I like magnesium citrate, glycinate and also malate.

        • Γ214

          Elemental calcium reacts violently with water. Elemental is not the right term to use here.

  • bahmi

    Dr Sircus recommended use of the CBD salve in one of his tapes on the Net. I read where that company that makes this material has been accused of all sorts of compounding scams and poor quality of their salve.
    What is the story with this company called Dixie Botanicals? Are they legit or was the Dr. recommending a company that is not on the up and up?

    thank you

  • Pete, it is important to keep all minerals in balance. Generally we are already taking in at least 6x the amount of calcium we need from our diets. We should be taking in a 1:1 or 2:1 ratio of calcium to magnesium for proper function. If you have seen information stating this ratio is incorrect please send us a link to it so we can review. Thanks
    Claudia French
    IMVA

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  • Pat

    I have started taking magnesium tablets for restless legs it’s as helped but concerned it may be to much I take 2 tablets with evening meal 180mg each. Tablet would welcome reply’s

    • Don’t worry, your body will excrete what it doesn’t need through the kidneys and stool, that’s if it absorbs the oral dose adequately. Try transdermal mag oil.
      Claudia French
      IMVA

    • Linda Pelech

      Try Homeocan Magnesium
      It is like a sublingual tablet. It works in ten minutes. If not then I take a 2nd one.

      • Γ214

        Yeah, because a supplement with lead in it is great for you. The magnesium and potassium components are diluted to the point of uselessness.

        Placebo effect is a real phenomenon, and we can all fall for it.

  • Vivek

    My calcium is normal 9.7 but I have low blood presure80 by 60, with numbness and tingling and balance issue. Can Magnesium deficiency cause this?

  • Hannah

    I recently started taking a tablespoon of magnesium (300 mg) before bed to help me sleep. It has been 2 weeks now and I have never felt more rested, however, I have always had a regular morning bowel movement but I am now constipated. This has never been a problem for me and the only thing that has changed in my diet is the adding of magnesium.
    I am not sure what to do.

    • Magnesium taken orally usually causes the opposite….loose stools and relief of constipation. You don’t mention what type or brand of magnesium you are taking, but perhaps you could switch brands to see if that helps. Also it could be coincidence due to a dietary change or dehydration or lack of exercise.
      Claudia French
      IMVA

    • Julie Rhoton

      I have the same problem with magnesium. Maybe some of us just react opposite. I hardly eat any dairy. How about you? Maybe the Magnesium with Calcium would be better for us.

  • Ambivalent

    A few weeks ago I had taken Mg Citrate 150mg at night for a few nights. Then I did two foot baths with about 1 cup of Mg Sulphate and soaked for about 20 minutes each. Seriously, my heart began racing with extremely loose joints the next day. My skin is still flushed and the joint pain/loose joints persist. is there anything I can do to reverse this?
    I am certain this started after the Epsom salts. I have found a few posts online where this has occurred. Any advice would be great. Would some Calcium or just some Milk to reverse this? I am a little afraid of Calcium as I have had Calcium Oxalate kidney stones before.

    • Dear Ambivalent,

      This is a very unusual reaction for anyone to have but perhaps you started out with too much mag sulfate. When we first start using magnesium in baths or foot baths the body tend to rapidly take it up and it can temporarily overcome the available calcium stores, causing cramps or some of the symptoms you describe. Taking some additional calcium for a few days might help to bring you back into balance, but no need to use calcium for too long.

    • Amelia Gerlach

      try ionic Mg; it takes a lot less to achieve the dose, since it absorbs directly into the cells. I had similar reactions as you,
      but I’m able to tolerate the ionic, in small doses and increasing gradually.

      • Γ214

        Just say magnesium chloride, unless you are referring to another anion than chloride. No point in repeating the marketing BS, it is just a water soluble salt of magnesium, meaning it will be absorbed before affecting your gut.

    • Julie Aerial

      Magnesium can increase levels of T3 the thyroid hormone,and give you hyperthyroid symptoms. It happened to me and I thought I was going crazy. It wasn’t until I stopped everything and slowly added things back in that I realized it was indeed the magnesium doing weird stuff with my thyroid levels.

  • mary g

    I have recently had 24 urine test and calcium was high, also blood tests showed calcium was high and doc suspects parathyroid issues . I have been using magnesium oil spray quite a lot could that possibly be the reason my calcium is high and confusing the issue? I dont want an operation unnecessarily.

    • Mary it is doubtful that use of magnesium oil would be causing this problem. Generally it is the parathyroid issues that cause elevated calcium levels as you describe. But you can cut back your use of mag oil and request another test be done to see if the calcium levels go down.
      Claudia French
      IMVA

  • Dear Crystal,

    I am sorry but I am not a doctor and cannot advise on the things you are asking except in general. I do not know some of the supplements you mentioned either. The best you can do for yourself to sort this all out would be to get a consultation with Dr. Sircus who can better advise you on these issues. It is only in consultation that dosages are discussed an recommended for legal reasons. I am sorry but I hope you understand.
    Are you drinking magnesium bicarbonate water? You can keep cutting back on magnesium till you are no longer having symptoms of loose stools or a fast heart rate. Calcium should be at a 1:1 or maximum 2:1 ratio of calcium to magnesium. We do not have a specific brand for calcium supplements as Dr. Sircus feels most calcium can be obtained through diet. Dr. Sircus can make a recommmendation of calcium if you need it.
    http://drsircus.com/consultations/

    Claudia French
    IMVA

  • Crystal Wogan

    ps, I live in England.

  • Crystal Wogan

    Hi Claudia,
    I have seen my Breast Specialist again, and like I thought, will not accept that a pounding heart has anything to do with Anastrozole

    • Very interesting since all drug information sheets list rapid heart rate as a possible side effect of this drug. So what does this doctor recommend for you and what does he say is the cause?
      You need to know that you can and probably should seek another opinion and you also have the right to report this side effect to the FDA….I know most people don’t have much faith in the FDA, but they do have a reporting system and it is only through this reporting system that they can take action.. Most people don’t make reports to the system because their doctors tell them exactly what yours told you thus discouraging them. Look up your drug and its side effects….it is clearly stated for Anastrozole (Arimedex). Here is one site: http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/anastrozole-oral-route/side-effects/drg-20061868.
      You may report side effects to the FDA at 1-800-FDA-1088. Do not rely on your doctor to do this, you must do it yourself.
      Claudia French
      IMVA

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  • John

    I have a bad rash on my face. The only “unusual” thing Ive been doing is Calm (drink) and applying quite a lot of magnesium lotion to my body! Could this be a sign of too much magnesium?

    • This may be a detoxification reaction if you just recently started the magnesium use (within the last 2 weeks or so).
      We’ve not heard of magnesium causing a rash from overuse otherwise. Cut back on how much you are using and see if the rash diminishes.
      Claudia French
      IMVA

  • Brian

    Please also list some info on the the interaction between Cellcept (magnesium reduces its effectiveness) and cyclosporine (which wastes magnesium significantly) as these two drugs are important for anyone receiving them either to prevent graft organ rejection or treat an autoimmune disorder.
    e.g. I require 5 x 500 mg tablets of chelated magnesium twice a day to counteract each 100mg dose of cyclosporine, and am currently investigating topical Mg application as a better alternative. By the way, I don’t get diarrhea unless I exceed this dose…. even with the castor oil as a carrier in the Cyclo caplets…

    • Thanks Brian,

      This is important information to know about!

      Claudia French
      IMVA

  • Song Painter

    I started taking a magnesium supplement 400 mill. I did notice a difference in my muscles feeling stronger and more energy. Like another gentleman stated about his sexual organ had lost a lot feeling and had a hard time with erection,I experienced the very same thing. After stoping the magnesium I returned to normal in a matter of days.Maybe it was because I was taking it just before going to bed so my body wouldn’t flush it out ,I don’t know. I can tell you this much,the magnesium was the culprit. I intend to take it in the mornings with food and see what happens. I also felt something else while taking the magnesium. My head was super groggy and I almost went to the doctor thinking something was major wrong but that went away after stopping the supplement.

  • Laure Finizio

    I have MSK chronic stones lowkisney function hypo magnesium I purchased the oil its the only thing helping with the twitching cramping teny, if I walk around the block my legs start twitching

  • Mandy

    I saw that Dr. Sircus recommended taking spirulina with the transdermal magnesium chloride because it offers all the minerals, trace elements, and large amounts of magnesium used to treat disorders. But does it contain calcium? You say it needs to be a 1:1 ratio of calcium to magnesium. So if the spirulina does not contain calcium , do you take a calcium supplement? Like if you are a 165 lb man you using half an oz of Magnesium oil a day, how much spirulina and calcium should you take to balance it out. I have read many articles but i am terrible at math. Any advise?

    • Maurice Guggisberg

      Dear Mandy,

      You can get a lot of calcium eating cheese and milk.

      Best Regards,

      Maurice Guggisberg

      IMVA Support Team

    • sab1053

      One important thing is not to get most of your calcium from animal products (dairy) or inorganics. Most calcium should be from plant based sources. Ive read that consuming animal based calcium could result in calcification of arteries and tissues because it is not easily metabolized. Instead of the calcium getting to the bones, it leaches into the blood and tissue. This can happen even if adequate amounts of magnesium are consumed. In short, reduce animal based calcium and increase plant based calcium while consuming adequate amouts of magnesium.

  • jewelsot

    I have just recently started using the magnesium oil spray. I’m usually in quite a bit of pain in my legs (because of lymphedema and arthritis). The swelling varies, but I do generally have discomfort. I’ve used the magnesium oil spray (2 squirts each leg, 1x daily, at night) for three days now. Today was the first pain free day I’ve had in months (all day too). I’m guessing that it’s the magnesium oil that’s helped decrease the inflammation (but I’m totally taken aback at how quickly this happened). What a great supplement to use!! Any info related to the magnesium oil, lymphedema, Grave’s Disease, arthritis… (that’s all I can think of right now) would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!!

  • Sheryl LeBlanc

    Sheryl LeBlanc
    I am 44 yrs.old. About 2 yrs. ago I started working out and eating healthier I lost 40 lbs..I loved the way I looked and felt! I joined a gym 1 1/2 ago and was working out 5-6 days a week. Things were going great until the past 4 months. I have had chronic back pain, radiating down my legs sometimes so bad I can’t walk. I have had MRI’S several different x-rays but nothing is showing up bad enough to have surgery.So I have been seeing a chiropractor and massage therapist since then.I feel some what better but not good enough to go back to my regular work outs or even some days just regular house work. What else could be causing this painful muscle pain and will Magnesium help me and how much should I take? Please help I feel hopeless and worried I will have this pain for the rest of my life.

    • Sheryl,

      Its hard to say what’s going on, you stated nothing showed up bad enough to have surgery, but don’t say what actually did show up? To answer your question would require more information from you and the best we can advise here in this format, outside of a consultation with Dr. Sircus, is to start massaging your back with magnesium oil a few times per day. This may help with pain and mobility.
      Also see Dr. Sircus’s protocol and start following some of the items there. CBD, sodium bicarbonate and perhaps a PEMF device may help you. Links are in the protocol. http://drsircus.com/medicine/natural-allopathic-medicine-protocol-components
      I also have back problems and magnesium oil used topically has been the most helpful for me of anything!!!
      http://drsircus.com/consultations/

      Claudia French
      IMVA

      • Sheryl Leblanc

        Sorry about not stating what they found on MRI just slight bulging on 4 and five and also some arthritis. The cardiologist didn’t find anything with my heart either but wants to put me on a heart monitor for 48 hrs. just to be sure nothing is going on. I will try the magnesium oil too. I told my massage therapist about it and she was going to buy some to try on her clients. Thanks for your response.

        • jewelsot

          Glad that the cardiologist didn’t find anything with your heart. That must be a great relief!

        • doc manic

          Re: chronic back – The slight bulging seems the obvious problem. Likely agitating sciatic nerve which manifests as muscle pain where there is no actual pain. I’ve had it where it was like a knife in the middle of my calf muscle. Resolved it by developing my own back stretches and learning to relax into the discomfort. I think my bulge was toward the back, so I laid on my belly and relaxed into it. Still happens periodically, takes time to resolve, but can be done if you persist (providing that is the cause of problem.) Also do the sensible things – moderate exercise, ice to control inflammation, heat to relax muscles. Stop doing the stuff that causes the condition. Aging sucks and makes us realize our bodies are not a renewable resource – if we wreck it, it’s wrecked.

    • Sheryl LeBlanc

      Well since I last wrote some scary things have happened to me.I had passed out at dinner two weeks ago I was taken to the hospital where they found that I was very low on potassium which caused my heart rate to lower. The Dr.did say that was why I was having so much muscle pain. Since then I have seen my physician he put me on a low dose of potassium 20 mlg. I felt great for a few days with no back pain but I am experiencing dizziness fatigue and constipation with being very cold and weight loss. My Dr.seems to think I was consuming too much water and it was flushing the potassium out.I was only drinking about a gallon a day. He cut my water intake back to a liter 1/2 and has me drinking Gator Aid for electrolytes. But I woke up yesterday morning with dizziness and leg pain again. I’m so confused on what’s happening to me.I called my Dr.and they are sending me to see a Cardiologist to check my heart! I’m concerned if they don’t find anything. I geuss the next step would be checking my liver and nervous system is what my Dr.said. I do notice that when I take my potassium pill I feel really dizzy! My Dr.never gave me any specific instructions to eating anything specific with it or a certain time to take it just twice a day.I usually take it after a early lunch and after dinner. Am I doing something wrong? I will see the Cardiologist tomorrow late morning for a echogram .I hope we find an answer ! Any suggestions?

      • Elona

        Hello, I see that you wrote this several months ago, but just in case it helps . . . this sounds similar to something that happened to me recently, and the cause was found to be a B12 deficiency. I was very surprised, as I eat meat and dairy, but once I began taking 10,000 mg of B12 orally each day the symptoms went away. After the first week of supplementation I noticed a big difference. Now, 3 weeks later I am back to normal. There is a book called “Could it be B12” that was very helpful in my effort to figure out what was wrong and how to treat it. Hope this helps!

      • neeta

        Sounds like you overdid it on exercise which lowers your levels of thyroid hormones indirectly due to elevated cortisol among other things and overdid the water. why force water? only drink when thirsty! I had similar problems and it was my adrenal glands from the stress of intense workouts and marital stress. its been 5 years and I’m finally getting a little better. exercise is overrated. just walk its enough, really. and eat natural foods. nothing from a box or package. really really works for balancing hormones and electrolytes. doctors know diddly squat. pushing pills when its usually the patient wearing themselves out.

  • velvet

    Hi i was told that taken magnesium will help me lose weight im not on a diet but trying to lose weight i have high blood pressure is it safe to take magnesium with my blood pressure med to to help with my weight loss cause im stuck in a plato with my loss

    • Maurice Guggisberg

      Dear Velvet,
      Magnesium can help you in many ways including helping to solve your high blood pressure, but the magnesium will not help you to lose weight.
      Best regards,
      Maurice Guggisberg
      IMVA Publications Support

  • cokie

    some advicess where can i get it. and how much. a friend told me to diluted in water and then drink it dont remember how much.

    • Maurice Guggisberg

      Dear Cokie,

      You can buy magnesium in the link below:

      http://www.ancient-minerals.com/

      Dr. Sircus has an entire protocol of a number of things that may help you. You can read about his protocol and about dosages in the ebook Treatment Essentials:

      http://drsircus.com/books/e-book/treatment-essentials/

      Or you can choose a consultation with Dr. Sircus for an in depth recommendation for you. He is available to take patients via his online clinic.

      http://drsircus.com/consultations/

      Please let me know if I can be of further help.
      Best Regards,
      Maurice Guggisberg
      IMVA Support Team

  • cokie

    My thyroid is low I’m taking 50 mcg of levothyroxin my bp is high not To bad and also overweight i want to take the magnesium chloride

  • Tina

    I have low blood pressure and have frozen shoulder and bursitis in both, also migraines among other things….I want to use mag oil but am afraid because of my low bp, would it be safe?

    • Maurice Guggisberg

      Dear Tina,

      yes magensium can affect blood pressure so she will need to check, stay well hydrated and drink extra water and stop using if blood pressure drops too low or she feels symptoms. Possibly use before bedtime as it is also relaxing and will reduce danger. Mag oil for her bursitis and migraines should not lower blood pressure too much. But she will need to start off with small amounts of mag oil and monitor her response.

      (our nurse advises)

      Best regards,
      Maurice Guggisberg
      IMVA Support Team

  • Lea Is Wonderful

    i was told to take vitamin b6 with magnesim

  • merpp

    yo if you take like 3 or 4 pills of mg it can get you high..

    • Magnesium does not make you “high”.

      Claudia French
      IMVA

    • And if you are meaning that taking 3 or 4 magnesium pills will raise your magnesium levels up, it may but generally it takes some time for sustained repletion of magnesium levels unless you have a magnesium wasting disease.
      Claudia French
      IMVA

  • Faith

    Hi, I have gastroparesis, insomnia, and some other health issues including hypothyroidism that started as severe hyperthyroidism. I recently started once a week Vitamin IV therapy. The first time I had the therapy, about 3/4 of the way in I felt funny, like I was going to pass out and afterwards got a migraine, so the nurse put extra fluid in this time and ran it for twice as long. It’s called Meyers Vitamin Cocktail (low dose). It has B vitamins, Vitamin C and Magnesium. This time I started getting stomach cramps and then the muscles in my arms started to contract. It’s now hours later and my arms still feel like the muscles are being pulled in the opposite direction of how I’m trying to use them. Any recommendations? This is not covered by insurance and I’m trying to get better, not worse.

    • Faith, there is no way it could be determined what what actually given to you, the amounts etc. so its difficult to say what’s happening. The only thing I can imagine is the IV of Meyer’s cocktail may be giving you magnesium faster than the calcium stores in your body can keep a balance. Hopefully you have some calcium at home and can try ingesting that to see if it lessens your symptoms.
      Claudia French
      IMVA

      • Faith

        Thanks Claudia for the info. I’m not sure what caused it either, except it feels like when my thyroid goes super hyper. Perhaps, b/c of the vitamin treatments my thyroid is functioning somewhat better and I can taper my dose of Armour down slightly, at least temporarily. I know it’s not way too high though because then my heart would start racing painfully in my throat. I take reverse ration Mg/Calcium at night instead of drugs for my gastroparesis and usually it’s enough to keep my digestive system working enough that I can eat small amounts of solids. The side affects from Reglan, a drug used to force stomach contractions, were horrible and the antibiotics are just basically to make me sick or rather irritate my digestive system to force things through, which would further upset good bacteria levels,etc. I figure with history of ulcers and hiatal (Sp?) hernia, that it probably is not a good idea to take the antibiotics for long periods four times a year, as was suggested by a gastroenterologist.

  • binkyboo

    I have chronic magnesium deficiency I take 750 mg per day sometimes it is upped to 1250. I* feel this is too much but I am told that it’s not a problem. I never feel well.

    • Its not too much as long as you don’t have kidney disease.

      Claudia French
      IMVA

      • binkyboo

        Thank you for that. My kidneys are in great shape, thank Heaven . You have helped me calm down.

  • Nichalus

    Any adverse effects I would pay attention to. I used to get all the
    symptoms of hypermagnesia from magnesium oil and even magnesium salt
    baths. I even suffered from respiratory collapse. I think that the
    good doctor sircus is missing an important correlation between magnesium
    and potassium. I believe that I am potassium deficient and that taking
    or getting high doses of magnesium salts (which are in an inorganic
    form) in the absence of potassium sufficiency is unwise and dangerous. I
    feel far more relaxed after focusing on increasing my potassium intake
    from fruits vegetables and the use of blackstrap molasses. As far as
    magnesium “oil” goes, so far I have not been able use it much. It
    causes me severe adverse reaction the least of which is skin rash even
    diluted. For baths I reccomend to never stay in longer than 30
    minutes with no more than two cups of salt to start.

    I tried to post ths comments along with a few other paragraphs before but it looks like that last post was disabled because I no longer see it here except when viewing this page in proxy mode. I guess I practically wrote a mini column on my experience and how I feel on this subject matter.

    To sum it up, chronic alcoholism combined with calorie restriction which is probably not that uncommon, in my opinion is a recipe for disaster if attempting to use high dose magnesium therapy in the form of the magoil or baths. The potassium deficiency caused by alcohlism and poor diet, combined with the use of caffeine on the flip side, I believe is very dangerous, especially when the foods eaten are very high in sodium. You see, in my experience, eating this type of imbalanced diet high in processed foods, I BELIEVE has caused my potassium sodium ratio to approach or cross a 1 : 1 ratio in favor of sodium, AND THAT AIN’T A GOOD THING!

    In addition the poor diet may limit calcium intake. I don’t think it’s fair to assume that all people get enough calcium in their diets, although in todays modern world there anre many non-dairy options such as milk substitutes and what not. Even still consider vegans and those who avoid fortified foods with unnatural forms of calcium added, and then you see how this kind of person could have a calcium deficiency. Remember, the alcohol doesn’t help with this either. In addition a person like this could also be chronically dehydrated if they prefer not to drink water.

    So we can already assume that a person like this has issues, not the least of which are probably significant electrolyte imbalances and deficencies. Now dump a high dose of magnesium chloride into their system and see if it doesn’t cause them problems, like it did me. Until a person corrects serious imbalances in their lifestyle like I have, they may have similar side effects. It’s just too much and can easily cause an overdose and in my opinion, if I had to guess with many of the severely unpleasant feelings I experienced with magoil, I think it was pushing me into a state of osmotic shock at the cellular level.

    Just let this be a warning to anyone who reads my post this time. I do still believe in the positive benefits of magnesium, no doubt, but in the case of other minerals not in balance in proper proprtions, taking high doses (IN MY OPINION) is dangerous and unwise. I have witnessed extremely unpleasant effects on a personal level, and I do not have kidney inssues as far as I know.

    OK

    • Nicolas,

      Dr. Sircus always advises a proper balance of all minerals, however there are numerous researchers who are saying we get too much caslcium in our diets compared to magnesium. For a person who is eating regularly (and you were stating the opposite) they should be getting enough calcium in their diets. If not eating regularly this is a different story.
      It is very rare for magnesium excess to occur in people …..very rare. Your problems may have evolved due to other things and definitely potassium deficiency could be one of them. I am excerpting here a study on potassium deficiency and magnesium… and it shows how potassium deficiency is definitely made worse by magnesium deficiency…not excess…. and makes attempts at bringing potassium levels up more difficult……you can go to the link to read the remainder of it.
      Magnesium deficiency is frequently associated with hypokalemia. Concomitant magnesium deficiency aggravates hypokalemia and renders it refractory to treatment by potassium. Herein is reviewed literature suggesting that magnesium deficiency exacerbates potassium wasting by increasing distal potassium secretion. A decrease in intracellular magnesium, caused by magnesium deficiency, releases the magnesium-mediated inhibition of ROMK channels and increases potassium secretion. Magnesium deficiency alone, however, does not necessarily cause hypokalemia. An increase in distal sodium delivery or elevated aldosterone levels may be required for exacerbating potassium wasting in magnesium deficiency.
      http://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/18/10/2649.full

      So you are right on the sodium problem and if a person is drinking alcohol which depletes magnesium by an increase of 200% within minutes, not eating properly, and then not drinking water and causing dehydration there is definitely going to be some problems as you describe. I hope once you are in better shape you will try the mag oil or some form of magnesium in a manner to keep your levels appropriate.
      Even with poor diets, if the kidneys are working properly, any excess magnesium will be quickly eliminated and generally not cause problems. but that said, thanks for the heads up…..everyone is different and can react differently.
      Claudia French
      IMVA

      • Nick Michaels

        Claudia. Hello. Thank you for your friendly, albeit overly
        technical reply. All the technical terms you use make it difficult to
        understand unless I start looking up definitions. It might be good to
        try and simplify some of the explanations so that they could be
        understood by people with no more than an high school level of
        education. If only for the sake of efficiency and helping to improve
        the clarity and free flow of information.

        Up until recently I had
        never tried a Magnesium Oxide supplement. But I recently got this
        stuff called Mag07. Each capsule supposedly contains 345 mg of
        magnesium, elemental. It also states that this is not intended as a
        magnesium supplement because it is sold as a type of colon cleanser. I
        am aware that Mag Oxide is supposed to have very low bioavailability, or
        so they say. The recommended dose of these capsules is 3 to 5 per day
        at bedtime, which is supposed to have a laxative effect. That has yet
        to be seen on my part.

        I have become increasingly aware of my
        magnesium sensitivity. I almost decided not to use this stuff because I
        have found that I absorb magnesium supplements extremely well. I have
        never experimented with taking excessive amounts because I feel like it
        might really hurt me. So I have never had the chance to experience any
        laxative effect from them. Any supplement over 140mg at one time of
        magnesium has proven to have a deleterious effects upon my being, often
        triggering severe angina. However I can and do eat alot of nuts high in
        magnesium such as almonds, pistachios, and pecans. Eating these nuts
        has never caused me angina. Maybe taking additional magnesium
        supplements when I already eat certain high magnesium foods is causing a
        redundancy and a certain buildup to the point of toxicity.

        So I
        decided to try the Mag07 starting with only one capsule per day for five
        days. I notice that it does have an initial calming effect on me, but
        like Magnesium Citrate, the intial relaxation usually gives way to
        angina within 30 minutes. But If I then take or eat something with
        calcium, it usually eliminates the angina. I can take no more than 100mg
        of Mag Citrate or else IT causes me angina too. I am aware that I
        probably do not eat the recommended daily value of Calcium. I do not
        consume much dairy except for occasional cheese. And I really do
        otthink that Dr. Sircus should not assume that “most” people do.

        I
        seem to absorb the Mag07 exceedingly well. I would guess that I am
        probably absorbing at least 1/3 to 1/2 of it on an empty stomach based
        on how it makes me feel as opposed to the “theory” that only 5 – 10% of
        it is bioavailable to “most people”. Obviously I am not like “most
        people”. This ozonated mag oxide 345mg capsule triggers moderate angina
        within 30 minutes without fail. When I take a Calcium supplement
        shortly after, the angina subsides and my heart moves back into
        equilibrium.

        Into the future if I take any magnesium
        supplements, I plan to take tthem along with Calcium as well. I do not
        seem to have any problems with oral magnesium absorption. Perhaps there
        is a select subset of the human population whose genetic makeup has
        also blessed them with similar physiology. For such a type of person,
        who may not suffer from any kidney disorders, high potency magnesium
        supplements on top of a semi-normal diet may be unnecessary and possibly in some cases even harmful. This is my opinion and two cents on the matter.

        • Glad you found what works for you despite the problems you described having. Everyone is different and reacts differently to any substance…its what makes us unique and why one size fits all recommendations usually are not wise to give. Your point is noted.
          Claudia French
          IMVA

          • Nick Michaels

            Hello again. So this morning I experimented by taking two Mag07; 345mg ozonated Magnesium (elemental) Oxide capsules. It was a bad idea for me. Even with the adition of equal parts calcium, I have suffered from debilitating, and I mean DEBILITATING angina, ALL MORNING. It has been very unpleasant and uncomfortable. I seem to absorb magnesium almost too well. The question has yet to be seen whether it will offer any laxative effect, but in the meantime I guess now I know that there is going to be no taking 3 – 5 capsules of this stuff per day or else I worry that it might cause me serious harm. What I mean by that is possible respiratory collapse like I used to with magnesium oil, in addition to excruciating angina pains the likes of which I have never known before or since. I think some people absorb magnesium far more efficiently than others and that I happen to be one of those people. Plus my body doesn’t really seem to like it much in a non-organic chemically extracted and isolated form. I think that that’s what’s going on here.

          • Sounds like you need to do some deeper looking into what might be causing your problems with debilitating atrial fibrillation and stop guessing at what might be going on. Never continue with any supplement or product that is causing such disturbing symptoms.
            Claudia French
            IMVA

          • masonjarlid

            Nick, I know this is an old post from two years ago, but have you ever been tested for the MTHR gene mutation? I found out this past year I had it and it explains a lot why my body acts the way it does. Google it an let me know what you think. Take care.

        • Charmaine Taylor

          you come to a medical site and then COMPLAIN because you are too lazy to look up some terms and educate yourself? sheesh..you are an example of why it is thankless to try and help people. And on top of that you write 10 paragraphs and give us “your 2 cents”..who cares?

          • Who cares? Well obviously not you. That’s a pretty cold heartless comment for you to make Charmaine. You don’t know me. You have no right to judge so harshly.

            And by the way, I have tried to educate myself. I have a copy of Mark Sircus’ book. I regularly frequent PubMed. I spend tons of time researching. You have no idea. But no, I am not a medical student or an academic snob who thinks he knows it all and that everybody else should have the same level of discernment as I do. I just try to listen to what my own body tells me.

            I’m sure that some others must have found my personal insight useful, even if you didn’t. When I was reading through this blog, there were some people’s stories who I could relate to and many others who I couldn’t. But I didn’t cast judgement against those I didn’t follow.

            So, I’m sorry if my post consisted of too much information that you did not find applicable to your particular situation. It doesn’t mean that what I had to say or contribute here is of any less value.

            With blogs, you sometimes have to sift through a lot of what may seem like useless information until you can find someone who you can relate to. It doesn’t’ mean that everyone else are a bunch of idiots.

            So don’t be so quick to judge harshly. “Don’t make assumptions” about people. “Always be impeccable with your word”. Don’t take anything personally…” and “Always do your best”.

            – THE FOUR AGREEMENTS, from don Miguel Ruiz…

            I hope somebody has found my comments helpful, and I’m sure they have. I wish someone would post a comment who can relate to my experience and what I was saying here. All I ever wanted to do was share my honest experience which I felt may be of benefit to some people. I am extremely sensitive to inorganic minerals including calcium carbonate and magnesium oxide which they say are the two least unavailable poorest forms of the two minerals. If I’m this sensitive to minerals and there are only one in a hundred people who are like me, does that make my testimony any less valuable? Look at the title of the article on this page and reread it if necessary. I believel that my experience and story has merit, and I will challenge anyone who disagrees.

            I personally experimented with high dose magnesium therapy for over 12 month, with disastrous results. I do not have any known kidney disease. I cannot take more than 60 mg of inorganic oral magnesium supplementation within a two hour timeframe without food or else I will get angina, and respiratory depression. I can eat 5-10x the equivalent of slow absorbing organic food based magnesium in the form of nuts and vegetables and it has never given me any problems. Why? Explain that Charmaine…

            Anyone… ?

            I suspect but cannot prove at this time, that some people have a much more difficult time of organifying and eliminating excess inorganic magnesium than others. In addition as I have already suggested, perhaps some people such as myself (maybe only one in 100) absorb minerals much more efficiently than the general population. If you have an open mind then you should be able to see how this (at least theoretically) should be possible. Likewise, there may be certain individuals who retain minerals better than others whereas some folks have the tendency genetically to waste their mineral reserves away more readily that others. Perhaps there has been some studies done that would elucidate this subject in greater detail…

            Thanks again Charmaine for your input here within the community. Even if your criticism is not constructive, we should really try to do our best to be kind to one another. They are many people here who are struggling with debilitating illness, trying to make the best use of the information that is available and that they can gather. It’s not easy to try and sift through mountains of information trying to get at the shreds of truth. So have some compassion for your follow man and woman, because we all in need of healing.

            Namaste

          • Nick Michaels

            Who cares? Well obviously not you. That’s a pretty cold heartless comment for you to make Charmaine. You don’t know me. You have no right to judge so harshly.

            And by the way, I have tried to educate myself. I have a copy of Mark Sircus’ book. I regularly frequent PubMed. I spend tons of time researching. You have no idea. But no, I am not a medical student or an academic snob who thinks he knows it all and that everybody else should have the same level of discernment as I do. I just try to listen to what my own body tells me.

            I’m sure that some others must have found my personal insight useful, even if you didn’t. When I was reading through this blog, there were some people’s stories who I could relate to and many others who I couldn’t. But I didn’t cast judgement against those I didn’t follow.

            So, I’m sorry if my post consisted of too much information that you did not find applicable to your particular situation. It doesn’t mean that what I had to say or contribute here is of any less value.

            With blogs, you sometimes have to sift through a lot of what may seem like useless information until you can find someone who you can relate to. It doesn’t’ mean that everyone else are a bunch of idiots.

            So don’t be so quick to judge harshly. “Don’t make assumptions” about people. “Always be impeccable with your word”. Don’t take anything personally…” and “Always do your best”.

            – THE FOUR AGREEMENTS, from don Miguel Ruiz…

            I hope somebody has found my comments helpful, and I’m sure they have. I wish someone would post a comment who can relate to my experience and what I was saying here. All I ever wanted to do was share my honest experience which I felt may be of benefit to some people. I am extremely sensitive to inorganic minerals including calcium carbonate and magnesium oxide which they say are the two least unavailable poorest forms of the two minerals. If I’m this sensitive to minerals and there are only one in a hundred people who are like me, does that make my testimony any less valuable? Look at the title of the article on this page and reread it if necessary. I believel that my experience and story has merit, and I will challenge anyone who disagrees.

            I personally experimented with high dose magnesium therapy for over 12 month, with disastrous results. I do not have any known kidney disease. I cannot take more than 60 mg of inorganic oral magnesium supplementation within a two hour timeframe without food or else I will get angina, and respiratory depression. I can eat 5-10x the equivalent of slow absorbing organic food based magnesium in the form of nuts and vegetables and it has never given me any problems. Why? Explain that Charmaine…

            Anyone… ?

            I suspect but cannot prove at this time, that some people have a much more difficult time of organifying and eliminating excess inorganic magnesium than others. In addition as I have already suggested, perhaps some people such as myself (maybe only one in 100) absorb minerals much more efficiently than the general population. If you have an open mind then you should be able to see how this (at least theoretically) should be possible. Likewise, there may be certain individuals who retain minerals better than others whereas some folks have the tendency genetically to waste their mineral reserves away more readily that others. Perhaps there has been some studies done that would elucidate this subject in greater detail…

            Thanks again Charmaine for your input here within the community. Even if your criticism is not constructive, we should really try to do our best to be kind to one another. They are many people here who are struggling with debilitating illness, trying to make the best use of the information that is available and that they can gather. It’s not easy to try and sift through mountains of information trying to get at the shreds of truth. So have some compassion for your follow man and woman, because we all in need of healing.

          • Butterfly7

            Hi Nick I can relate I have severe food and chemical sensitvities(salicylates and amines) and live off about 10 foods otherwise lots of pain and many other dramatic symptoms ,no good with vits and mins either except for a little iron and folate,those mag baths lay me back so much and great for anxiety but if i have too many im like spaced out and super floaty, but also i think it is relaxing my muscles so much that its making too loose and ache more ,currently i have CFS and so weak ,anyway hang in there mate,Butterfly7

          • Julie Aerial

            Nick,the angina you are getting from magnesium could be from it raising your TSH and T3 thyroid levels to a slightly hyperthyroid state. One of the symptoms is a rapid heartbeat and chest pains. I’m a hypothyroid and was on the same low dose for years. Then when I started taking magnesium I became very hyper thyroid.
            It’s hard to find the information,but there are a few studies online saying magnesium can do this.

  • Smith

    Hello Claudia,

    A couple of weeks ago I read Dr. Sircus’s article on Magnesium and ordered the product that was on special sale. After a few days of applying the oil on my skin I noticed my breathing opening up with a deeper intake of oxygen capacity . However at about the same time I became unable to sustain an erection, I had no feeling in the groin area, it felt like I was paralyzed there. I am an older man but I don’t have medical problems with my prostate. It’s not like when I was 20 but my urination is normal. The only other time I have experienced a similar condition is in the rare occasion that I took an antihistamine.
    Can you give me advice on this?

    • This should not have happened due to the magnesium…….magnesium would do just the opposite, it opens blood vessels and increases circulation. I would suggest you look further for the cause of this and Dr. Sircus is available for consultation if you want to speak with him.
      Try applying half the amount you originally used, it may have just been a temporary depletion of calcium due to rapid magnesium uptake.
      Claudia French
      IMVA

  • Matthias

    Is it possible to use magnesium chloride and natron together in one bath or should
    both healing substances used separately?

    • Matthias, if by natron you mean the modern day sodium bicarbonate (a prime constituant of natron) then the answer is yes, you can use this together with magnesium chloride in a bath.
      Claudia French
      IMVA

  • Jen

    I soaked in a bath of Epsom Salts ( about 2 cups) and 2 cups of dead sea salt. Most of the muscles in my body are very sore, when they weren’t before. What does this mean?

    • Sometimes when first using magnesium chloride in hi doses in baths it can be rapidly absorbed and overcome the existing calcium stores causing a problem with muscles. So if this was the first time you tried this, cut back on the amount you are using by half or two thirds and then go up very slowly until your body becomes accustomed .
      Take some extra calcium and see if that helps to balance things. Magnesium: calcium ratios should be at a 1;1 ratio.
      Claudia French
      IMVA

  • Anonymous

    I am worried that taking a fizzing Magnesium supplement (I don’t want to malign the brand name) led to too much Magnesium in my body. I took it (235mg) for about 6 weeks. After the first week, I could tell I must have previously been low in Magnesium because I felt soooo good. I felt relaxed, it helped me sleep and I honestly think some of my gray hair went away! However, I started developing breathing problems and I am wondering if it contributed to getting pneumonia! I stopped the magnesium supplements and I am slowly getting better. I don’t know how to treat this, except to stop taking the supplements. I have tried to have more calcium in my diet, but what about the other minerals? Should I try to add those back somehow?

    • Dear Anonymous Guest,

      For some people too much magnesium may cause respiratory problems or difficulty breathing and this is one of the symptoms presented in the contraindications for magnesium. This especially true if there is kidney dysfunction. Sometimes it is related to the type of magnesium being used.
      You can stop using magnesium supplements for awhile and then start using again, either more slowly or less frequently and see if that will help with the problems you saw resolved at first. You might also switch the type of magnesium you are using.
      All minerals must be kept in a good balance and if you were being treated for pneumonia with antibiotics this can deplete many. The options for replacing minerals are many and varied ranging from whole food multi-vitamins and minerals to ionic drops of various types.
      If you would like a consultation with Dr. Sircus for more specific direction please see your options here: http://drsircus.com/consultations/

      And please read the chapter on the contra-indications and cautions when using magnesium in the Transdermal Magnesium Therapy book which basically applies to any type of magnesium used.
      Claudia French
      IMVA

      • Anonymous

        Thank you! I will be supplementing with Magnesium when I am able to again. It really had an amazing effect. Next time, though, I will do it less frequently as you suggest.

  • Ladyfish

    Why are people with hypothyroidism susceptible to magnesium toxicity?

  • Kelly

    Questions regarding Neurontin interactions:
    “The Magnesium Research Institute says that the drug Neurontin binds Mg in the GI tract and results in a malabsorption of both oral Mg and Neurontin (PDR says 24 percent). Interaction with Neurontin is important to note because it is an anti-seizure medication and also frequently used off label as a mood stabilizer and behavioral drug in addition to being used for migraine headaches. Some children with ASD may be on this medication. It is also used in bipolar disorder as an alternative to lithium.”

    1) If utilizing transdermal Magnesium Oil, is this still at all a concern?

    2) If using an oral Malic Acid (1.5 grams/capsule) supplement containing 500 MagCitrate/tab, can the binding effect w Neurontin be substantially lessened if these products are taken an hour apart?

    3) If the binding effect is still an issue even spacing them apart, would this increase the likelihood of Neurontin side-effects, assuming that the Neuontin dose would need to be increased 25% or more to overcome the binding effects

    • Kelly,

      Neurontin binds with magnesium in the GI tract so if you use transdermal magnesium oil that is not going to the same place as the oral drugs the chances of binding are less. Maybe if you take the Neurontin 2 hours apart it might help to decrease. the risk of binding. And of course if you end up needing more of the Neurontin, you will get more side effects…..independent of using magnesium. Neurontin is not a nice drug and you would be better off without it.

      Claudia French
      IMVA

    • piglet (after my heart valve)

      Ok let me get this straight. I am taking cal 500mg, mag 500mg and 99mg of potassium. I have no thyroid, I have a heart valve transplant and suffer from over weight, kidney stones and migraines. I take take thyroid meds, blood pressure pill, a cholesterol pill and a pill to stop the stones. I take probiotics and a multi vitamin. Is my dosages of calcium, magnesium and potassium ok

      • piglet

        kelly I do not know why this went to you sorry!

  • Nick Michaels

    Any adverse effects I would pay attention to. I used to get all the
    symptoms of hypermagnesia from magnesium oil and even magnesium salt
    baths. I even suffered from respiratory collapse. I think that the
    good doctor sircus is missing an important correlation between magnesium
    and potassium. I believe that I am potassium deficient and that taking
    or getting high doses of magnesium salts (which are in an inorganic
    form) in the absence of potassium sufficiency is unwise and dangerous. I
    feel far more relaxed after focusing on increasing my potassium intake
    from fruits vegetables and the use of blackstrap molasses. As far as
    magnesium “oil” goes, so far I have not been able use it much. It
    causes me severe adverse reaction the least of which is skin rash even
    diluted. For baths I reccomend that you never stay in longer than 30
    minutes with no more than two cups of salt to start.

    The human
    potassium requirement is in a 10:1 ration to magnesium. One cannot
    should not simply ASSUME that most people are getting enough potassium
    to be in balance with high dose magnesium therapy. Even the statistics
    in the above article on this subject matter don’t reflect the full
    extent of chronic potassium deficiency. Nor do they take into account
    the high numbers of people who are alcoholics. It is a well documented
    fact that ALCOHOLICS ARE COMMONLY MODERATE TO SEVERELY POTASSIUM
    DEFICIENT. There are MANY people who (to some greater or lesser extent
    like me) suffer from chronic alcoholism and/ or depression combined
    sometimes or often with a calorie restricted diet lacking protein and/
    or not much in the way of fruits and vegetables. This combined with
    chronic dehydration could be enough to make magnesium therapy quite
    dangerous for people in this camp. To top that off with the next daily
    drug of choice dose of caffiene to attempt to recover from the day
    before only taxes the adrenals and wastes more of all your mineral
    reserves through diuretic action. Its like icing on the cake of a
    deadly yet socially accepted lifestyle for many. A self administered
    slow-kill weapon against the masses. Also an often unmentioned fact
    about coffee, is that it has a so called laxitive effect. In actuality
    the fact is that it actually shocks the bowels.

    That
    is, it can put the digestive tract into a state of shock, at which
    point, you stop digesting and absorbing nutrients, and instead are just
    trying to eliminate the coffee from your system. That’s what sends you
    scurrying to the bathroom. If the bowels are shocked and they are just
    trying to rifd themselves of coffee-poison, then they stop absorbing
    much nutrients while this is happening and then guess what, you get
    cheated on the nutirnts you were supposed to get from what little food
    you may have eaten leading to further chronic malnutrition and POTASSIUM
    DEFICIENCY.

    So my point is that for people who are
    using more than a very moderate amount of alcohol daily, as well as one
    ore more cups of coffee or other high caffeine containing beverages,
    should be cautious with magnesium supplements. However if the above is
    also combined with chronic fatigue, depression, OCD, anorexia, or other
    psychological or social circumstances that cause the person to be on a
    severe calorie restricted diet eating no more than one meal per day only
    supplemented by snack junk food and or other vitamins, high dose
    magnesium supplementation is again NOT GOING TO FIX YOU. IT WILL
    PROBABLY MAKE YOU SICK LIKE IT DID TO ME AND GIVE YOU SINS OF
    HYPERMAGNESIA. I AM VERY SENSITIVE TO MAGNESIUM. I DO NOT HAVE KIDNEY
    DISEASE OR KNOWN HYPOTHYROIDISM. However, I must be one of the
    exceptions. I seem to absorb magnesium very well orally, and I have
    never even been able to take enough orally to ever have any experience
    of a laxative effect, without it actually triggering angina.

    I’m
    telling you folks, this is a sign of sign of high dose magnesium
    ‘therapy’ induced OSMOTIC SHOCK, especially due to CHRONIC TO ACUTE
    POTASSIUM and or far less likely calcium DEFICIENCY, It could also have
    something to do with some peoples systems not being able to regulate
    inorganic magnesium salt. At the cellular level, it shouldbe examined
    what happens to the cell when it is potassium deficient, and or has
    potassium at no greater or less than a 1:1 ratio to sodium but low to
    moderate calcium. Then add magnesium chloride at a quantity approaching
    sodium and lets see what happens. I would be surprised if this does
    not put the cell into a state of toxic shock and or paralysis
    potentially rupturing the cell wall causing an influx of sodium, when
    POTASSIUM SHOULD BE THERE PUMPING IT OUT! I think POTASSIUM somehow
    also regulates magnesium

    You must be very aware
    that starting high dose magnesium therapy isn’t necessarily going to be
    a cure-all to fix your problems if you fall under any combination of
    the categories I listed above.

    I think chronic
    alcohol and caffeine dependencies in tandem with high stress working
    environments and poor diets are a recipe for psychosis. Eventually if
    the body and mind become depleted and a person is also in a state of
    chronic total malnutrition including ESPECIALLY POTASSIUM DEFICIENCY,
    this combined with high dose magnesium ‘therapy’ is at the least
    inappropriate, if not dangerous, harmful, and potentially deadly.

  • concerned daughter

    My father’s dr. has prescribed multiple medications–3 for blood pressure, 1 blood thinner, thyroid, depression and he has recently been diagnosed with Parkinson’s. Is it possible some of this may be magnesium deficient related? I don’t want him to start a supplement and have it counteract with the meds he currently takes; however, I don’t agree with the dr on just prescribing more medicines to treat the symptoms rather than correct the problem. Should we request blood work specific for magnesium? Thank you! I appreciate any feedback.

    • To concerned daughter.

      You are right to be concerned about the medicines being prescribed to treat symptoms instead of the cause of your father’s problems. Yes many of the things you describe can be a result of magnesium deficiency such as depression, thyroid, need for blood thinner, blood pressure elevations etc. A blood test given by our allopathic doctors will not tell you much about magnesium levels…you need to get a RBC test or something more specific to magnesium.
      But the best thing you can do which will tell you within a short time if magnesium is going to help is just to get some Ancient MInerals Magnesium oil , and start using it liberally in massages, skin applications, in baths, and to have him start drinking magnesium bicarbonate water. Dr. Sircus has seen some dramatic improvements in people with Parkinson’s disease when they started using his protocol to increase magnesium levels. Some report improvements in movement and moods within a few days to a month of use. Magnesium is known to moderate blood pressure and to decrease the stickiness/thickness of blood. Watch that he may need less of the prescribed medicines when using magnesium.
      Other things on his protocol will also help and you might consider joining the IMVA for discounts on products recommended and additional support:
      http://drsircus.com/imva-membership/

      Claudia French
      IMVA

      • anti_banker

        I believe there is only a small drop in blood pressure in many clinical trials that have tested magnesium for that purpose. Magnesium affect of slighly reducing blood pressure seems to be related to the fact that magnesium helps your body to absorb more potassium. (It is actually the potassium that reduces blood pressure and counteracts the sodium (salt) which raises blood pressure).

        To concerned daughter:
        Potassium supplements are easy to overdose on and not recommended. Have your father massively increase the amount of potassium he gets from diet instead. Dried apricots are probably the highest natural source of potassium as apricots are high in potassium, and when dried are even higher in potassium (less water content). Bananas are also high (but not as high if I remember correctly). White beans and potatoes also contain lots of potassium, but be aware potatoes can spike blood sugar (unless they are ‘sweet’ potatoes which amazingly actually reduce blood sugar.)

        Sea salt is also better than regular table salt as it contains magnesium and other trace mineals normal salt doesn’t. Try to find an iodated sea salt as some are not iodated. Sodium in salt raises blood pressure, but sea salt contains less sodium because of the other minerals that it also contains.

        Parkinsons is a nervous system disorder I believe and magnesium will work well for most nervous system disorders. It’s also given for heart arrythmia which is some ways is slightly similar.

        Slowly use these methods to get him off his meds altogether – it’s not an overnight thing, but it’s possible. Even if he can cut down on them dramatically that will be a good thing, but you need to replace them with natural alternatives and not just take them away.

        • pat

          does phosphorus deplete magnesium? what counteracts magnesium?

    • anti_banker

      Blood work for checking magnesium is almost useless as it only detects a magnesium deficiency when the person is almost dead from lack of magnesium. When blood is low in magnesium, it gets pulled in from other parts of the body into the blood to make up for the shortage, but then he blood is ok, but other parts of the bidy are magnesium depleted. Have him undergo an intra-cellular magnesium test. This tests the magnesium inside the cells as opposed to inside the blood. (between cells).

    • anti_banker

      I believe there is only a small drop in blood pressure in many clinical trials that have tested magnesium for that purpose. Magnesium affect of slighly reducing blood pressure seems to be related to the fact that magnesium helps your body
      to absorb more potassium. (It is actually the potassium that reduces
      blood pressure and counteracts the sodium (salt) which raises blood
      pressure).

      To concerned daughter:
      Potassium supplements are easy to overdose
      on and not recommended. Have your father massively increase the amount
      of potassium he gets from diet instead. Dried apricots are probably the
      highest natural source of potassium as apricots are high in potassium,
      and when dried are even higher in potassium (less water content).
      Bananas are also high (but not as high if I remember correctly). White
      beans and potatoes also contain lots of potassium, but be aware potatoes
      can spike blood sugar (unless they are ‘sweet’ potatoes which amazingly
      actually reduce blood sugar.)

      Sea salt is also better than regular table salt as it contains
      magnesium and other trace mineals normal salt doesn’t. Try to find an
      iodated sea salt as some are not iodated. Sodium in salt raises blood
      pressure, but sea salt contains less sodium because of the other
      minerals that it also contains.

      Parkinsons is a nervous system disorder I believe and magnesium will
      work well for most nervous system disorders. It’s also given for heart
      arrythmia which is some ways is slightly similar.

      Slowly use these methods to get him off his meds altogether – it’s
      not an overnight thing, but it’s possible. Even if he can only cut down on
      them dramatically that will be a good thing, but you need to replace
      them with natural alternatives and not just take them away…
      Fish oil tablets, 20 minutes sunlight daily and chocolate can do wonders for depression!!!

      • More evidence is coming out that the blood pressure drops in proportion to the amount of magnesium taken. So it is showing that the greater the amount of magnesium, the more bp drops. And with over half the population deficient in magnesium, taking only the small and inadequate daily recommended dose of magnesium will not do much. More is needed. Potassium and calcium also play an important role as anti-banker stated.
        Claudia French
        IMVA

    • anti_banker

      I pressume he is on a blood thinner due to high risk/previous history of heart attacks, or stroke?????

      Cholesterol is only used by the body to repair damaged arteries when the body lacks vitamin C, cholesterol doesn’t work very well and can eventually (with excess calcium) block arteries. The body uses vitamin C to make collagen (the preferred substance for repairing arteries). The Recommended Daily Allowance of vitamin C (80-100 mg) is just barely enough to keep mouth scurvy at bay and NOT enough to prevent heart attacks (artery scurvy) – you need 10 to 12 times that amount to produce enough collagen to properly repair damaged arteries without blocking them up with the inferior cholesterol/calcium gunk we call plaque.

    • Lea Is Wonderful

      he must be taking alot of meds
      the parkinson’s is potentially due to a drug interaction
      with another drug or with his brain.
      it is associated with the dopamine receptors
      and a current blockage
      gingko and ginseng could help
      provided they dont counteract with a drug

  • Elle

    I have taken a magnesium flakes bath and felt worried about after effects..is it normal to have a head ache after and pounding heart and after resting 1 and half hours bp was 140/92. And my face was red as a beetroot.

    • Nick

      Any adverse effects I would pay attention to. I used to get all the symptoms of hypermagnesia from magnesium oil and even magnesium salt baths. I even suffered from respiratory collapse. I think that the good doctor sircus is missing an important correlation between magnesium and potassium. I believe that I am potassium deficient and that taking or getting high doses of magnesium salts (which are in an inorganic form) in the absence of potassium sufficiency is unwise and dangerous. I feel far more relaxed after focusing on increasing my potassium intake from fruits vegetables and the use of blackstrap molasses. As far as magnesium “oil” goes, so far I have not been able use it much. It causes me severe adverse reaction the least of which is skin rash even diluted. For baths I reccomend that you never stay in longer than 30 minutes with no more than two cups of salt to start.

      The human potassium requirement is in a 10:1 ration to magnesium. One cannot should not simply ASSUME that most people are getting enough potassium to be in balance with high dose magnesium therapy. Even the statistics in the above article on this subject matter don’t reflect the full extent of chronic potassium deficiency. Nor do they take into account the high numbers of people who are alcoholics. It is a well documented fact that ALCOHOLICS ARE COMMONLY MODERATE TO SEVERELY POTASSIUM DEFICIENT. There are MANY people who (to some greater or lesser extent like me) suffer from chronic alcoholism and/ or depression combined sometimes or often with a calorie restricted diet lacking protein and/ or not much in the way of fruits and vegetables. This combined with chronic dehydration could be enough to make magnesium therapy quite dangerous for people in this camp. To top that off with the next daily drug of choice dose of caffiene to attempt to recover from the day before only taxes the adrenals and wastes more of all your mineral reserves through diuretic action. Its like icing on the cake of a deadly yet socially accepted lifestyle for many. A self administered slow-kill weapon against the masses. Also an often unmentioned fact about coffee, is that it has a so called laxitive effect. In actuality the fact is that it actually shocks the bowels.

      That is, it can put the digestive tract into a state of shock, at which point, you stop digesting and absorbing nutrients, and instead are just trying to eliminate the coffee from your system. That’s what sends you scurrying to the bathroom. If the bowels are shocked and they are just trying to rifd themselves of coffee-poison, then they stop absorbing much nutrients while this is happening and then guess what, you get cheated on the nutirnts you were supposed to get from what little food you may have eaten leading to further chronic malnutrition and POTASSIUM DEFICIENCY.

      So my point is that for people who are using more than a very moderate amount of alcohol daily, as well as one ore more cups of coffee or other high caffeine containing beverages, should be cautious with magnesium supplements. However if the above is also combined with chronic fatigue, depression, OCD, anorexia, or other psychological or social circumstances that cause the person to be on a severe calorie restricted diet eating no more than one meal per day only supplemented by snack junk food and or other vitamins, high dose magnesium supplementation is again NOT GOING TO FIX YOU. IT WILL PROBABLY MAKE YOU SICK LIKE IT DID TO ME AND GIVE YOU SINS OF HYPERMAGNESIA. I AM VERY SENSITIVE TO MAGNESIUM. I DO NOT HAVE KIDNEY DISEASE OR KNOWN HYPOTHYROIDISM. However, I must be one of the exceptions. I seem to absorb magnesium very well orally, and I have never even been able to take enough orally to ever have any experience of a laxative effect, without it actually triggering angina.

      I’m telling you folks, this is a sign of sign of high dose magnesium ‘therapy’ induced OSMOTIC SHOCK, especially due to CHRONIC TO ACUTE POTASSIUM and or far less likely calcium DEFICIENCY, It could also have something to do with some peoples systems not being able to regulate inorganic magnesium salt. At the cellular level, it shouldbe examined what happens to the cell when it is potassium deficient, and or has potassium at no greater or less than a 1:1 ratio to sodium but low to moderate calcium. Then add magnesium chloride at a quantity approaching sodium and lets see what happens. I would be surprised if this does not put the cell into a state of toxic shock and or paralysis potentially rupturing the cell wall causing an influx of sodium, when POTASSIUM SHOULD BE THERE PUMPING IT OUT! I think POTASSIUM somehow also regulates magnesium

      You must be very aware that starting high dose magnesium therapy isn’t necessarily going to be a cure-all to fix your problems if you fall under any combination of the categories I listed above.

      I think chronic alcohol and caffeine dependencies in tandem with high stress working environments and poor diets are a recipe for psychosis. Eventually if the body and mind become depleted and a person is also in a state of chronic total malnutrition including ESPECIALLY POTASSIUM DEFICIENCY, this combined with high dose magnesium ‘therapy’ is at the least inappropriate, if not dangerous, harmful, and potentially deadly.

    • anti_banker

      Sound like you bath was too hot, or maybe you were imagining things.

    • TheTunaFairy

      I had a similar problem, taking potassium bicarbonate and calcium citrate (only type of Ca I had) stopped it. I think the Magnesium, Potassium, Calcium, Sodium balance was out of whack.

      • TheTunaFairy

        Reading more on this site, I should have done Sodium Bicarbonate instead, apologies for bad info.

        • Bhavani

          hi everyone…I think after all the best way to take magnesium is to take it through the homeopathic mineral salts called magnesium phosphoricum…I learned that taking the minerals through the homeopathic way is a very soft way to take it and it teaches the body to absorb the mineral again….

  • JennyDee

    I am confused. You always promote magnesium chloride (transdermal magnesium) as being the best to use – is this also considered a supplement which will interfere with pharmaceutical drugs? What about your new favourite – spirulina – does this interfere with pharmaceutical drugs?

    • Dear JennyDee,

      Magnesium can interfere with some pharmaceutical drugs, especially some heart medications and diabetes medications. It can lower the dosage needed. Always be aware of which drugs it can interact with and be watchful of any adverse effects. Its a good thing if it allows you to stop using pharmaceutical drugs!
      Spirulina is not a new favorite of Dr. Sircus….he’s loved spirulina for its beneficial effects for a very long time.
      Both spirulina and magnesium are considered nutritional supplements and like anything else can have effects or be affected by pharmaceutical medicines. You can find the lists of medications affected by most things on Dr. Sircus’ protocol in the Treatment Essentials book or in the books about each separate item.

    • Dear JennyDee,

      Magnesium can interfere with some pharmaceutical drugs, especially some heart medications and diabetes medications. It can lower the dosage needed. Always be aware of which drugs it can interact with and be watchful of any adverse effects. Its a good thing if it allows you to stop using pharmaceutical drugs!
      Spirulina is not a new favorite of Dr. Sircus….he’s loved spirulina for its beneficial effects for a very long time.
      Both spirulina and magnesium are considered nutritional supplements and like anything else can have effects or be affected by pharmaceutical medicines. You can find the lists of medications affected by most things on Dr. Sircus’ protocol in the Treatment Essentials book or in the books about each separate item.

    • anti_banker

      Spirulina is more of a natural product than a (sometimes synthetic) vitamin/mineral supplement. Anything in it’s natural, unprocessed (plant) form is normally safer and healthier for you. Plants know how much magnesium to take in and how much water to use to dillute the magnesium and other minerals and vitamins, etc, etc – nature knows best!!!

      • Bhavani

        i agree with the spirulina…chlorella is also the same or as I said above in case of deficiency to take it in homeopathic mineral salts in potency of D6 MAGNESIUM PHOSPHORICUM

  • Kit

    Hello. For about a week I was taking chelated magnesium (1500mg to 2000mg) and stopped after noticing my joints were clicking a lot. Wrists and most other joints click with little movements throughout the day. I am worried the excess magnesiumay have caused this. Is there any evidence of this happening with magnesium consumption in a short amount of time(one week)? Thank you.

    • Kit, The only way to tell is to start again at a much lower dosage and see if this reoccurs. Sounds like the dose you were taking was quite high. we haven’t heard of this kind of problem with magnesium, though the clicking can occur with other deficiencies. —– Original Message —–
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  • Ed Grand

    A couple of years ago my nutritionist told me to take magnesium as a laxative. It has been working wonderfully. However, I stopped seeing the nutritionist and Now I take too much magnesium. I take 4-500mg tablets in the morning and 4 more at night. I do not do this daily, only when I travel (2 or 3 times a month for about 4 days). So my intake of magnesium is 4000 mg a day when I travel. Other than needing laxatives I think my health is very good. No diabetes, no overweight, etc.
    Should I stop doing this, or is this ok? Thank you.

    • Hi Edward,

      The need for laxatives can be a problem for a lot of people. Yes, magnesium is good for this and usually some form of magnesium oxide or magnesium hydroxide is recommended as these types of magnesium pull water from the body tissues into the bowel to help with the movement of stool….on a continuous basis this would not be a good idea.
      It’s not always easy to keep our regular eating and exercise habits consistent when traveling, though that would be the ideal remedy. If you have normal working kidneys it should not be a problem since the kidneys excrete excess magnesium readily. But if not, you need to monitor your intake of magnesium from any source more carefully.
      Renowned magnesium researcher Jean Durlach, states that no more than 2,000 mg. of magnesium should be intaked per day, but in your instance it would depend on what magnesium you use, and what the actual amount of elemental magnesium is actually in the preparation and how much is being absorbed. Try to avoid dependence on using the tablets and you could do a trial and see if you can cut back on the amount you need.
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    • Nick

      That’s too much! This could upset your calcium balance friend, and also cause other problems. I wouldn’t mess with anything over 800mg a day. I think that’s dangerous

    • anti_banker

      I also used to have bad constipation and it never improved even when I ate lots more fiber. I eventually realised I was not drinking enough clear fluids (water). Drink lots of small amounts throughout the day. (eg at least half a glass 4-6 times daily). Think about it what’s the use of all that fiber when it ends up like a dry rock!!! That’s why fruit and veg is great – it contains both water and fibre (and more). However lots of fresh water is still necessary. Excercise also helps a lot for constipation (fast jogging, or cycling, not standing still, lifting weights). Combine all of these and you will be back to normal within a week!!! The more of these steps you implement the better it will work. The extra water I drank also helped me feel less tired throughout the day, it worked almost as well as coffee as a pick-me-up. I actually realised that I was chronically dehydrated. The average persons daily routine of only 3 cups of coffee a day does NOT (by itself) count as – “getting enough fluids”.

    • bobq

      Ed Grand : This excessive. Eventually it will affect both liver and kidney. Try cutting down dosage to 3,000mg and see how bowel movements are effected. Rule is minimize
      isolation of intake and lower dosages at a time.

    • Justice Thinks

      Check out Natural Calm ( powder). The reviews are outstanding!

  • pharmacy student

    Good afternoon. i have exam on pharmaceutics tomorrow and i am looking for the reason why magnesium sulphate BP 1988 should be taken 2.5 hours before breakfast. Need Help please.

    • Claudia French – IMVA Staff

      Dear Pharmacy Student,

      I do not know the answer. suggest you check with another pharmacist in your area.

  • Megan Brown

    I have had diabetes for 12 years, over the last couple of tears has been very hard to control y bood sugars (highs and lowes).

    I also suffer from chronic back pain, which now is really bad. Drs. just tell me I have osteoarthritis and give me pain pills.
    (hydrocodone) which Im taking, and needeing more and more. During the las few months I feel the tingling on my feet,, and other parts of my body. My shoulders hurt a lot every day. I feel tired, sore alll the time. I received an advise from a friend to take magnesium cloride to see if it helps with my ailments.

    Im also very irritable, moody, etc.
    My daily meds are: insulin Lantus (30u), Novolin 70/30 (35 u), Metformin 800mg bid, andd the hidrocodone 750 mg 4/6 tablets a day.

    Thanks for any advise.

    • Claudia French – IMVA Staff

      Hi Megan,

      You should get and read Dr. Sircus’ book on Transdermal Magnesium Therapy and our book New Paradigms in Diabetic Care.

      http://publications.imva.info/index.php/e-books/new-paradigms-in-diabetic-care.html

      http://blog.imva.info/medicine/transdermal-magnesium-therapy-2

      Sounds like bringing your magnesium levels up will help you a lot and you could probably also benefit from Alpha Lipoic Acid for the neuropathy you are feeling now.

      Get some transdermal magnesium oil from LL’sw Magnetic Clay Co and start applying it to your skin every day. You can read more about this online at: http://magnesiumforlife.com/

      We have a lot of information available for you!

    • anti_banker

      Try use cinnamon to lower blood sugar naturally (there are other natural methods as well). You may find it will allow tyou to slowly lower yor insulin dosage ovr time. Do this in consultation with a doctor if possible, but don’t let any doc dissuade you without a valid reason. Loose weight if you are overweight – being overweight can cause diabetes. Simple carboydrates (eg. white bread, pastries, etc with no fiber) can also rapidly spike blood sugar levels, so it’s not just sugar you must watch out for. Add extra fiber to your cereal each day. (eg. oat, or wheat BRAN which are also both high in magnesium).

      The magnesium chloride to drink and the oils on your skin are also great, as per Claudia below check out Dr Sircus books on these subjects.

      My mother has osteo-arthritus in her knees and hip joints (possibly back too).
      She uses a supplement (tablet) designed for arthitis which is all natural and contains glucosamine, chondroitin sulphate, MSM, Devil’s claw extract, Indian Frankincense, salmon oil, boron, etc. It works very well for her and I will not provide the brand name as I am not just saying this to try promote a product of my own, or something. Add extra salmon, or cod liver oil to this if the arthritis still persists. (preferably check if the fish oil is tested to be free of heavy metals, although mercury is more of a problem with bigger fish like Tuna, marlin and swordfish.)

      Get off those painly pills as quickly as you can, but don’t go cold turkey all at once!!! LONG THOSE THINGS WILL KILL YOU – I PROMISE YOU!!! You doc’s are turing you into a drug addict!!!!

  • A client has beginnings of renal issues with high bun and creatinine, associated with high blood pressure.
    I have been using the magnesium oil on her feet and legs, maybe 1oz every other day, and the stats have come down. After reading …..wonder is this is ok and what amounts are indicated as I would like to prevent further damage or dialysis.
    I will be working with her doctor and give her this website for info. Also, I realize it is a lesser strength but is it advantageous to use the magnesium cream on her back to avoid the stinging.
    Thank You,
    Constantina

    • Claudia French – IMVA Staff

      Dear Constantina,

      Dr. Sircus advises extreme caution when recommending magnesium to anyone with renal insufficiency. However, depending on the situation it may still be used but would require some personal advice from Dr. Sircus.

      Did you know that sodium bicarbonate can also be used to prevent dialysis in people with chronic renal failure? There are also other things that can be used, like CoQ10. Dr. Sircus often consults with other doctors on proper dosing etc.

      Testing of magnesium levels should be frequently done to ensure the magnesium levels are not going up and the symptoms of magnesium overload should be understood and watched for.

      While magnesium is one of the safest nutritional medicines to utilize, it is with renal problems that overload can occur.

  • Karen

    The renal insufficiency stated appeared to be associated with IV or oral intake of magnesium; is there a problem if it’s applied to the skin? Thanks!

    • Claudia French – IMVA Staff

      Dear Karen,

      Yes Karen,
      Magnesium applied to the skin and absorbed into the body still needs to go through the process of metabolism and the excesses excreted in the urine. When renal insufficiency is a problem, the excess or unneeded magnesium cannot be adequately removed and can build up and cause toxicity. It does not matter if the magnesium is taken in by IV, oral, or transdermal means.

  • April

    Hi,

    I have hypothyroidism and take 37mcg levothyroxine each morning. I was considering the transdermal magnesium chloride flakes or oil for my heart disease and general health. Having read the warnings, however, please could you tell me whether or not it would be safe to do this? Is it just the oral magnesium that could cause hypermagnesemia?

    Many thanks for any help you can give me.

    April

    • Claudia French – IMVA Staff

      April,

      Any type of magnesium , oral or transdermal or IV or IM can cause hypermagnesimia IF one does not have healthy functioning kidneys. If kidneys are healthy and functioning well they will excrete any excess, as will the intestine (diarrhea). It is very rare to get any toxicity from magnesium and its very helpful for cardiac conditions.

  • Lyne

    Hi
    I’ve started taking high doses of Mg after reading about deficiency symptoms on different sites including yours. I’ve been a type 1 diabetic since the age of 3 and I’m now 43. As you might suspect, I have many deficiency symptoms… I’m presently taking oral Mg chloride 4X/day and I think this is about 1200mg/day. I have no diarrhea (which surprises me at that dose level) and I’ve had an abrupt onset of constipation about 2 weeks before starting to take Mg (which has never happened to me before). I thought it was because I started taking vitamin D supplements for osteopeny. Since then, I stopped taking vitamin D and started using Mg since 2011-11-11. I have no loose stools to limit me in my dosage but I feel different types of things since. That is, sometimes light muscle weakness, fatigue, sometimes feeling slow, then sometimes feeling really good so I don’t know what to do? I thought of taking the Mg after eating rather than 1 hour before. However, this morning, I took it before breakfast at 6h15, went running, felt slow/fatigued/kinda weak and urinated a lot until around 11h and now, at 11h15, I feel REALLY good and light. The different feelings (nice and not nice) I’ve had usually start occurring about 20-30 minutes after taking a dose. Is constipation preventing me from normally having diarrhea in this situation? Are these true overdose symptoms? What do I do? Thanks a lot for answering soon since I’m bit a worried.

    PS: I’m waiting to receive my mineral oil but I don’t know what would be the best thing to do with it right now. Any suggestions?

    Lyne

    • Claudia French – IMVA Staff

      Dear Lyne,

      Being diabetic, type 1 myself I empathisize with you fully.

      Oral intake of any type of magnesium including chloride is not always reliable. First of all we generally only absorb about 30-40 % of the magnesium from oral products. This is due to many things, but mainly problems in the digestive tract which prevent the full absorption. In addition, with long-standing diabetes you may have some gastroparesis now (it could even be intermittent) which is a slowing of emptying of the stomach contents. And you are very likely very magnesium deficient as research has shown that in diabetics the rate of deficiency is much greater than in the general public. This is affected by high blood sugars which can cause the over- excretion in urine of magnesium when our sugars are high due to frequent urination. Diabetic both need more and use more magnesium than healthy people do.

      Magnesium will cause muscle relaxation and could account for the intermittent symptoms you describe and are not necessarily a symptom of any toxicity or overdose, though if your kidney function is not in the normal range (frequent in long standing diabetes) that could make a difference and you should make sure you have good kidney function because with decreased function the excess magnesium cannot get excreted in urine and can build up rapidly in the body. But generally the first sign of too much magnesium is watery diarrhea where the body attempts to get rid of the excess.

      If the product you are taking is a tablet, it would barely be digested or broken down in the 30 minute time frame you describe to symptoms. Liquid magnesium chloride would be absorbed more rapidly. Not sure about the constipation as you do not give enough information here.

      Its a complex situation. You might want to cut back on your oral dosage to see if that makes a difference.
      And when you get the magnesium oil, we recommend that 1-2 oz be applied transdermally to the skin/day. Its always best to start slow and build up gradually.
      This will not go through the digestive tract so no diarrhea should be expected. Gradually you should be able to come off the oral mag chloride but perhaps a commbination for you is needed. . Personally I use a body spray of magnesium daily and a full bath with about 4 cups of magnesium flakes added to it 2- 3x/wk but use lesser amounts when first starting the baths and increase this gradually too.

      I hope you have our e- book on New Paradigms in Diabetic Care as well as Dr. Sircus’ books on mangesium where all of these things are explained in more detail.

      You haven’t been on your magnesium too long either and the body often needs a period of adjustment for a few weeks. (started using Mg since 2011-11-11) So cut back and go up slowly.

      • Mary

        Hi,

        I have been using magnesium citrate 300mg, magnesium gycinate 300mg daily. I am coming off benzodiazipines and have heard that people tapering of these kinds of medications tend to burn through magnesium a lot quicker. Is this true? I also use a topical chloride as needed to help with anxiety, but don’t use it every day. Sometimes I might add a 2 to 300 mg topical if the anxiety is bad and less if it’s not too bad.

        I have good kidney function but have been dealing with other hormone related issues after a testosterone overdose so I never know what is causing my bouts extreme weakness. The doctors are clueless.

        Any thoughts on this?

        Mary

        • Hi Mary,

          If you read our website you will find that Dr. Sircus prefers using magnesium bicarbonate water for drinking with everything, and magnesium oil applied topically instead of other oral forms of magnesium as they are absorbed into the bloodstream without interference by faulty digestive tracts that often interfere with absorption of oral mag products and will replete magnesium levels much faster. Of course this all plays a role in anxiety as magnesium has been found to turn around behavior problems in children when B6 is added and provides the calming and relaxing effects we all need at times. A strong magnesium chloride bath (with Ancient Minerals Bath Flakes) is the first thing I go for when feeling upset or anxious…….
          Ancient Minerals Magnesium Oil from LL’s Magnetic Clay is magnesium chloride from deep ancient sea beds so chlorides will be obtained with its use. I hope you have seen that this is now on sale till end of September for IMVA readers.
          See how to get the IMVA discounts here: http://drsircus.com/medicine/dear-imva-august2013

          Claudia French
          IMVA

          • Simon your body will absorb as much as it needs and will excrete the excess through the kidneys. Do a search for Norm Shealy’s trial on magnesium absorption through the skin. ]
            Magnesium Bicarbonate will provide the bicarbnates needed by the body for proper functioning along with magnesium. Bicarbonates also enhance the absorption of magnesium so the effect of the magnesium is markedly increased .
            Sorry we do not have a ref. page for all the substances you ask about. Thanks for the suggestion, I will pass that along to Dr. Sircus.
            Claudia French
            IMVA

          • Simon

            Thankyou Claudia, your clarification is very much appreciated.
            A reference page covering intake of all four bicarbonates would be fantastic.

            btw, when you write: ‘Magnesium Bicarbonate will provide the bicarbonates needed by the body…’, are you meaning that magnesium bicarbonate itself, will cover the requirement for all bicarbonates in general.

            best regards,
            Simon