Natural Allopathic Medicine Protocol Components

Posted by Dr Sircus on January 16, 2013 | Filed under Medicine

Natural Allopathic Protocol

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The Natural Allopathic Medicine protocol is powerful and at the same time extraordinarily safe because nutritional medicines, not pharmaceuticals, are employed. They are water-based highly concentrated nutritional medicines, not chemical, and the supreme ones are magnesium chloride, sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), selenium, sulfur, iodine, glutathione and Vitamin C.

The Natural Allopathic Medicine protocol is for every disease and for every income level. Most of the items in the protocol can be taken orally, and some can also be used transdermally or administered intravenously by a doctor or a nurse in more desperate medical situations. Transdermal applications include topical application directly on the skin, magnesium massages, medical baths, nebulization into the lungs, glutathione suppositories, and medicated enemas.

These are the main components of the Natural Allopathic protocol. You can find a detailed description of how to use each one of them in the book Treatment Essentials.

  1. Magnesium chloride (baths, massage, oral, IVs, nebulized)
  2. Bicarbonate/ carbon dioxide medicine (both sodium and potassium bicarbonates)
  3. Iodine (with possible inclusion of natural thyroid hormone)
  4. Selenium, vitamin E, glutathione
  5. Vitamin C (extremely high ORAC antioxidant therapy)
  6. Cannabidiol (CBD) (legalized medical marijuana without THC)
  7. Breathing retraining (slowing the breathing down, stress reduction)
  8. Tears of the Melting Heart (connecting directly with one’s own vulnerability)
  9. Far-Infrared Heat (treatments for cancer and pain)
  10. Sun exposure, vitamin D
  11. Light, frequency, color, Photon therapies
  12. Seawater (oral, nebulized, intestinal irrigation, IVs), whole salt
  13. Water (medicinal quality and full hydration)
  14. Sexual Healing and Health
  15. Nutrition: Superfoods, spirulina, natural chelation, enzyme therapy, vitamins A & B, juice fasting, aloe vera, organic sulfur (MSM), alpha-lipoic acid and sodium thiosulphate
  16. Intestinal health (probiotics, enemas, colonics, clay, etc.)
  17. Exercise, yoga (Social support, therapeutic support, therapeutic massage, spiritual processing, abdominal shiatsu are important areas of concern.) Not covered extensively in this book.

What Is This Protocol Useful For?

The answer to that question is just about everything! Composed of innovative and sophisticated therapies, each component is evidence-based integrative medicine from around the world that pays special attention to treating the underlying causes of sickness. All components are safe, non-toxic medicinals. All are perfectly legal and together will outperform any pharmaceutically oriented approach.

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  • songbirdsuz

    Hello, I am wondering what the effects of iodine are on a person who has no thyroid. I had Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis for about 11 + yrs and then developed hyperparathyroidism and had to have one of my parathyroid glands removed. Since my thyroid was not functioning correctly and I was told, would never recover from the autoimmune Hashimoto’s, my surgeon suggested removal. He told me that I was at an increased risk of cancer due to the Hashimoto’s disease. When he removed the thyroid, he did find a very small papillary cancer. I am on U.S.P. Thyroid replacement therapy. I cannot handle Armour due to the cellulose filler they now use. It slows the absorption down too much for me and I don’t get symptom improvement. So, that’s the background info on my thyroid. If I wanted to follow Dr. Sircus’ protocols for general health since I have a lot of health problems, would there be anything I should be aware of regarding using Iodine given I have no thyroid now?

    • http://drsircus.com/ Claudia French

      -Dear songbirdsuz,

      Even people with no thyroid have other organs that need iodine, so supplementing should not be a problem except that it needs to be done under the watchful eye of a qualified health care professional. Dosing needs may be quite different from people who still have thyroid glands.

    • http://drsircus.com/ Claudia French

      -Dear songbirdsuz,

      Even people with no thyroid have other organs that need iodine, so supplementing should not be a problem except that it needs to be done under the watchful eye of a qualified health care professional. Dosing needs may be quite different from people who still have thyroid glands.

  • lleiderm

    Dr. Sircus, I am very surprised that you do not mention MMS, Jim Humble’s Master Mineral supplement, which is a solution of nothing but sodium chlorite, which when activated with citric acid from a 10% solution or just with lemon juice, releases chlorine dioxide. You drink this with some juice that does NOT contain vitamin C. The juice just hides the taste. I use prune juice. It kills all pathogens. It has NO side effects. It has been used to successfully cure malaria in less than 4 hours and has been used to cure cancer, AIDS and innumerable other problems. It is easy to fine lots of info on Mr. Humble and MMS (Used to be called Miracle Mineral Supplement, but is now called Master Mineral Supplement) on the net. Almost no bacteria or virus stands a chance against it. I say “almost” because I think there just has to be exceptions to virtually everything. You cannot prove a negative. If you want more info from me, please respond to this.

    • http://drsircus.com/ Claudia French

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      You can put MMS into the search box at the top right of the website screen and you will see that Dr. Sircus has written a few articles on MMS. this is not something he feels is important to use as you will understand why when you read his articles on this. r

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      Dr. Sircus, I am very surprised that you do not mention MMS, Jim Humble’s Master Mineral supplement, which is a solution of nothing but sodium chlorite, which when activated with citric acid from a 10% solution or just with lemon juice, releases chlorine dioxide. You drink this with some juice that does NOT contain vitamin C. The juice just hides the taste. I use prune juice. It kills all pathogens. It has NO side effects. It has been used to successfully cure malaria in less than 4 hours and has been used to cure cancer, AIDS and innumerable other problems. It is easy to fine lots of info on Mr. Humble and MMS (Used to be called Miracle Mineral Supplement, but is now called Master Mineral Supplement) on the net. Almost no bacteria or virus stands a chance against it. I say “a lmost” because I think there just has to be exceptions to virtually everything. You cannot prove a negative. If you want more info from me, please respond to this.
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      • lleiderm

        I have been using MMS1 for years now with no side effects at all. I do not
        take it regularly, only when I feel bad or have an infection. I do take it
        every day for maybe a week or two at a time just to clean myself out.

        My Testimonials:

        1. I had some leftover food that I knew had gone bad. It was even bubbling a
        little. But it had expensive ingredients in it that I did not want to go to
        waste. So I ate some anyway. I immediately got sick. Woozy. So dizzy I felt
        like I had to get off my feet and go to bed. I decided “This is a job for
        Mighty Mouse! MMS1 is now going to get the test!

        I took just a normal dose of about 8 drops and 40 drops of lemon juice plus
        prune juice and water after the three-minute activation wait. Almost
        immediately the sick feeling started going away. After about 4 hours, it was
        like the food poisoning never happened. I was amazed because I was definitely
        VERY sick.

        2. I had a lot of cut rose bush stems that had been sitting around outside all
        winter and spring, rotting. I had to throw them away. I knew that if I picked
        them up without gloves to stuff them into trash bags, I would certainly
        puncture my hands and get an infection at every puncture.But I did it anyway,
        thinking I could just be very careful. Of course, I punctured my hands, and
        they got infected in several places on both hands. They turned deep pink and
        swelled up considerably. They were hurting. I took several 10-drop doses of MMS1 per day, and also put the concentrate on the punctures topically. They were all healed in a few days. Much, much sooner than it would normally have taken.

        I do agree that each person is different, and my general good health may be
        a reason that MMS1 has no side effects with me. But I really do not think so,
        since it only produces common table salt and CO2 as by products. Jim Humble
        goes to great lengths to explain exactly why it only attacks pathogens, so I am
        confused why a doctor like Dr. Sircus, whom I respect, would just ignore the
        clear explanations given. I think it best to pay attention to Jim Humble,
        himself, when he counsels to start slowly and build up the dose only so long as
        you do not have nausea. I never went beyond 15 drops, but I can see that more
        might be useful for bad diseases, which I do not have.

        I have never used MMS2, and don’t intend to, since MMS1 works so well for
        me. It ain’t broke, so I don’t intend to fix it.

        Also, I immediately discount anything at all the FDA says. They are nothing
        but spokesmen for the drug pushers. So that’s another surprise to me about Dr.
        Sircus, as I would think that he would know that already. Makes me wonder about him.

        Another also: I was directed to read this article by someone I assume to be
        a Dr. Sircus staff member, as a result of a comment I made after Dr. Sircus alopathic cancer treatment article. I was recommending MMS1 as something to try. I was told that Dr. Sircus is against MMS1, pretty much completely. But that confuses me because of the large number of comments here that testify to how effective it has proven to be with so many different problems with pretty much no lasting side effects. So more and more I find myself lumping Dr. Sircus in with all
        those other allopathic doctors, who seem to me to be nothing but drug pushing
        witch doctors who do not want to heal people, but only to keep them just sick
        enough so they can continue to come to their offices to pay them.

        Of course, Dr. Sircus is MUCH better than that, but I MUST say that I am
        super surprised at his closed minded position re MMS1 in light of how successful
        it has proven to be. The violent reactions reported in this article are not
        totally documented, and I seriously doubt that MMS1 would be the only culprit
        involved. And even if a VERY few people had an adverse reaction, it in NO way
        invalidates the many, many, many, many thousands of success stories so easily
        available on the net.

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          I have been using MMS1 for years now with no side effects at all. I do not take it regularly, only when I feel bad or have an infection. I do take it every day for maybe a week or two at a time just to clean myself out.

          My Testimonials:

          1. I had some leftover food that I knew had gone bad. It was even bubbling a little. But it had expensive ingredients in it that I did not want to go to waste. So I ate some anyway. I immediately got sick. Woozy. So dizzy I felt like I had to get off my feet and go to bed. I decided “This is a job for Mighty Mouse! MMS1 is now going to get the test!

          I took just a normal dose of about 8 drops and 40 drops of lemon juice plus prune juice and water after the three-minute activation wait. Almost immediately the sick feeling started going away. After about 4 hours, it was like the food poisoning never happened. I was amazed because I was definitely VERY sick.

          2. I had a lot of cut rose bush stems that had been sitting around outside all winter and spring, rotting. I had to throw them away. I knew that if I picked them up without gloves to stuff them into trash bags, I would certainly puncture my hands and get an infection at every puncture.But I did it anyway, thinking I could just be very careful. Of course, I punctured my hands, and they got infected in several places on both hands. They turned deep pink and swelled up considerably. They were hurting. I took several 10-drop doses of MMS1 per day, and also put the concentrate on the punctures topically. They were all healed in a few days. Much, much sooner than it would normally have taken.
          I do agree that each person is different, and my general good health may be a reason that MMS1 has no side effects with me. But I really do not think so, since it only produces common table salt and CO2 as by products. Jim Humble goes to great lengths to explain exactly why it only attacks pathogens, so I am confused why a doctor like Dr. Sircus, whom I respect, would just ignore the clear explanations given. I think it best to pay attention to Jim Humble, himself, when he counsels to start slowly and build up the dose only so long as you do not have nausea. I never went beyond 15 drops, but I can see that more might be useful for bad diseases, which I do not have.

          I have never used MMS2, and don’t intend to, since MMS1 works so well for me. It ain’t broke, so I don’t intend to fix it.

          Also, I immediately discount anything at all the FDA says. They are nothing but spokesmen for the drug pushers. So that’s another surprise to me about Dr. Sircus, as I would think that he would know that already. Makes me wonder about him.
          Another also: I was directed to read this article by someone I assume to be a Dr. Sircus staff member, as a result of a comment I made after Dr. Sircus alopathic cancer treatment article. I was recommending MMS1 as something to try. I was told that Dr. Sircus is against MMS1, pretty much completely. But that confuses me because of the large number of comments here that testify to how effective it has proven to be with so many different problems with pretty much no lasting side effects. So more and more I find myself lumping Dr. Sircus in with all those other allopathic doctors, who seem to me to be nothing but drug pushing witch doctors who do not want to heal people, but only to keep them just sick enough so they can continue to come to their offic es to pa y them.

          Of course, Dr. Sircus is MUCH better than that, but I MUST say that I am super surprised at his closed minded position re MMS1 in light of how successful it has proven to be. The violent reactions reported in this article are not totally documented, and I seriously doubt that MMS1 would be the only culprit involved. And even if a VERY few people had an adverse reaction, it in NO way invalidates the many, many, many, many thousands of success stories so easily available on the net.

          12:27 a.m., Tuesday April 16

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  • Kimberly Thomas

    Claudia, can you ask if Dr. Sircus has dealt with Prion Disease at all and know if anyone has beat it? I think my father may have this over and above his cancer.

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      Kimberly,

      Dr. Sircus has not looked deeply at the prion diseases though we are aware of them. Much of his protocol would be beneficial as it can universally affect our own ability to heal including these types of prion problems, depending on which type of prion disease he has and how its affecting him right now. In the protocol magnesium has a great effect on various neuro-degenerative disorders. So consider getting him on the basics! —– Original Message —–
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      Claudia, can you ask if Dr. Sircus has dealt with Prion Disease at all and know if anyone has beat it? I think my father may have this over and above his cancer.
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  • Kimberly Thomas

    Claudia,

    I just got my magnesium in.. How much should I be apply for each massage? I will be starting 2 massage daily.. Once in the morning and then again in the evening.

    Thanks,
    Kim

    • http://drsircus.com/ Claudia French

      Kimberly,

      Apply up to an ounce each time….but start off much, much lower and work up slowly. —– Original Message —–
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  • Kimberly Thomas

    Thanks again Claudia.. One more question.. Which of the 5 recommended Rejuvenate products should I be purchasing? or do I purchase all of them? I will have to resort to a consultation eventually but first I have to spend my money to get these products into him as quickly as possible. They gave him a 6 mth window when he was diagnosed in October and he is declining rapidly… so once i purchase everything and then save up some additional funds I will do the consultation.. Just a heads up. I am also a webmaster and you have a lot of links on your site not working.. =)

    Kim

    • http://drsircus.com/ Claudia French

      Kimberly,

      All rejuvenate products are good but if it were me trying to help a father who is becoming debilitated from lack of nutrition I would use the Rejuvenate plus with spirulina in it….not all have spirulina. Some people use all of the different ones.
      See the comparison chart here: http://www.integratedhealth.com/rejuvenate-comparison.html

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  • Kimberly Thomas

    Thanks Claudia…

    Yes I am frustrated, desperate and a total wreck. As I have moved both my mother and father in with me and my family taking on the responsibility. It’s been 5mths since diagnoses and I thought I would be strong enough to handle everything. But it is slowly tearing me apart on a daily basis..

    I will be ordering the 5 top essential items right away as well as the breathing device and the superfoods. The one question I do have is this: I want to put him back on the baking soda but this is what happened last time:

    I followed Vernon’s protocol with bs and molasses to a T.. Got his ph up to a 8.5 and held it there for 5 days.. Now his tumor before we started the protocol was 8.0cm and when we did a scan after the protocol we learned his tumor had grown another 2.5 cms.

    So my father refused to do this protocol again as it contain the molasses. Can I administer the baking soda portion without the molasses while having the same affects? What does Dr. Sircus recommend when it comes to the bs mixture..?

    Thanks in advance!
    Kim

    • http://drsircus.com/ Claudia French

      Kimberly,

      Dr. Sircus no longer feels the molasses is necessary and you can give baking soda in a good source of water. It may take more rounds of this s.b. treatment to have an effect.
      Please note that other protocol items are important in this battle. Don’t give up! Vitamin C and selenium are good to use as are the bio-mat for increasing body heat and please consider the value of continued support that you sound like you may need in this battle against cancer.

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    • lleiderm

      Look up MMS, Master Mineral Supplement, and Jim Humble on the net. You will be VERY pleasantly surprised how easy it is to cure “almost any disease.”

  • Kimberly Thomas

    Claudia,

    I have purchased the book and have read it, in it’s entirety. Since my fathers diagnoses in October that is all I have been doing is studying each and every possible method. The point being is everyone’s diagnosis is different and WILL require a $250 consultation (or more) specifically if they are at a stage 4/5 with not time left as each of the items will have to be administered differently! I currently have him on the budwig protocol and my time is consumed with just that small portion alone. So, if you hear frustration in my typing it is due to everyone asking for consultation fees…

    • http://drsircus.com/ Claudia French

      Dear Kim,

      Cancer is unique in each person, so you are right in saying that everyone will use Dr. Sircus’ protocol differently. He does also offer half hour consultations to provide the teaching necessary to get each person on the proper usage of what they can afford to use.
      A great deal of time has been put into the writing of his book and all of the basics are available there. There just isn’t one single recipe for what people should do when dealing with cancer nor for what they should do in whatever stage they are in. I’m sorry and I know this is very frustrating, unfortunately it is reality.
      The Treatment Essentials book should give you a good basis to start with. No need to start each protocol item at once….put a few days between initiating each item to observe reactions. Dr. Sircus states in the beginning chapters of the book that it may take more than one reading through the book to fully grasp how to utilize all the items.
      With all protocol items it is best to start out low and get used to each substance and then slowly bring the doses up.
      Start out with transdermal magnesium chloride, sodium bicarbonate by watching pH and iodine …then move on to the other protocol items.

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  • Kimberly Thomas

    So essentially we need to buy your book in order to know the exact protocol? I see what your recommending for products although there is no outline for one to follow.. My father has stage 4 lung cancer.. Small cell carcinoma.. I have tried the baking soda/molasses protocol according to Vernon’s site (and have spoke to him as well).. I currently have my father on the budwig protocol.. and am still seeing him slowly decline.. Is the protocol layed out in steps on this website or are am i missing something??

    Desperate daughter!

    • http://drsircus.com/ Claudia French

      Kimberly,

      Dr. Sircus’ protocol for cancer involves much more than just sodium bicarbonate….and each person and their cancer is different in their tolerance for the recommended protocol items. Dr. Sircus’ books should give you enough understanding of what each item can do to prevent cancers from taking over, and also each person’s situation may dictate how many of the protocol items they can afford.
      If you are still not understanding the protocol or the priorities of items to start with and why, you will need to get a consultation from Dr. Sircus to discuss your particular situation. There simply is no ” one size fits all” way of treating everyone with cancer. You can start with the priority items of sodium bicarbonate, magnesium chloride, iodine, selenium and Vitamin C….and then add the other components as you are able. This is explained in the book and generally can be used for any type of cancer to start out with.

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  • Elina

    Dr.Sircus, my son who is 3 months old was hospitalized for 2 weeks during his first month of life due to a urinary tract infection. He was put on IV antibiotics (Ancef) during those 2 weeks and after discharge he was put on a daily prophylactic dose with Keflex because they found that he has grade 2 and 3 VUR. We stopped giving him the Keflex after 2 months because we are scared of what long term antibiotic treatment will do to him. He is a completely different baby off the antibiotics. Are we able to give him iodine in some form? Can we give him an oral dose of iodine or put drops on his penis? Please advise.

    • http://drsircus.com/ Claudia French

      Dear Elina,

      Nascent iodine can be used orally for young children. Please see what Dr. Sircus says about dosages in this essay :
      http://drsircus.com/medicine/iodine/iodine-dosages

      Many doctors believe the recommended daily allowances of iodine are way too low and advise that higher doses are safe, and needed especially when using for antibiotic reasons, though you should be watchful for signs of hyperactivity with supplementary iodine.
      If you need or want more information you can find some in the the Iodine eBook available here:
      http://drsircus.com/books/e-book/iodine

      which everyone should have in their home!

      and in the eBook Humane Pediatrics:

      http://drsircus.com/books/e-book/humane-pediatrics

      Alternatively, you can obtain a consultation with Dr. Sircus for more guidance. He offers half-hour, one hour, 1 month or 6 month options for those who want more specific direction and support..
      http://drsircus.com/consultations
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      • Elina

        Thank you Claudia for your response. Does that mean that there is a possibility for hyperactivity disorder with use of nascent iodine? Like ADHD?

        • http://drsircus.com/ Claudia French

          Elina,

          Nascent Iodine should not cause adhd-type hyperactivity. Follow the instructions and don’t give iodine after about 2-4 pm as it can cause wakefulness at night. And if you notice an undesired increase in activity simply cut back on the amount you are giving. —– Original Message —–
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          Thank you Claudia for your response. Does that mean that there is a possibility for hyperactivity disorder with use of nascent iodine? Like ADHD?
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  • Wilma Nevans

    Dr. Sircus I would like for you to do trials on the KANGEN WATER MACHINE by ENAGIC.

    The SD 501 machine is a medical device in Japaan and used iin hospitals and the only machine that has the GOLD SEAL of APPROVAL by the QUALITY WATER ASSOC. It can set the PH for drinking water from 8.5 PH to 9.5 PH..The water can be set higher or lower PH but is not used for drinking. I drink the 9.5 water and have for 2 1/2 years with no bad side effects. I am 84 years old, on no medication, no flu shots or pain medication and have not had a sick day in all that time. This would be a healthier world if people kept hydrated with this water. The machine can only be sold by people that owns one and has only been in the US for 10 years but thousands are being sold.
    My website is http://www.healthywatersite.com and we need Drs. to try these machines and let people know how valuable they are to our health.

  • Pandava

    Taking the pH up to 8.4 for a few days is supposed to kill viruses, bacteria and fungi. Do any survive this? Are there alkaline-tolerant good bacteria that I can use? Do you have any material on this subject?

    Somehow, I am seeing greater frankness and clarity in the way you write. It is a pleasure to read your work Dr Mark!

    David

  • Leslie

    Dear Dr Sircus…I have the greatest respect for your work both in the fields of health and in spirituality however I am having great difficulty working out a protocol using your forms of magnesium, iodine, bicarbonate of soda, etc. I am not using them for the treatment of cancer but rather for the improvement in general health for myself and the members of my family. I have purchased all of your books currently available but remain unclear as to how to use the iodine internally and externally, how much magnesium chloride to take orally and how often during the day, whether or not it can be mixed with the iodine and the baking soda etc. Do you have any clear and simple information as to these protocols that you can share with us please? Every blessing… Leslie

    • http://drsircus.com/ Claudia French

      Hi Leslie,

      Dr. Sircus has written and will be publishing around Feb. 1 his new book on Treatment Essentials which brings the kind of information you request about his various protocol items. Watch for this!
      In addition,

      Dr. Sircus is always available for consultation if more direction is needed after reading any of his books. You can get an hour long consultation divided into two half hours or you can obtain a longer consultation. You can read more about how these consultations are structured here:
      http://drsircus.com/consultations
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  • Mike R – NH

    Thank you Dr. Sircus. I look forward to purchasing your Treatment Essentials work. What is your opinion on the use of colloidal silver? I have read that some feel it kills just the good bacteria and others feel it kills both good and bad. I’ve also read it can be very effective if nebulized.